Hi All:
Has anyone noticed an increased use of band name products in romances? It may just be me or a quirk of the last few books I’ve read. but I am seeing more band named products, (some with nice comments), than I remember seeing in the past.
Does any one know if authors are being paid to put band names in romances? This happens all the time in movies these days. And does it make any difference to you? I’m not sure I like it. The one I read today irked me enough to make this post. What do you think?
Thanks,
Vince
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Product placment
Hi Vince,
Although product placement has been played with, without much success, mostly due to readers having similar negative reactions it's not something that I believe is standard practise at Harlequin. I can't remember who the publisher was but there was some issue with a recent teen novel doing this lately, NOT us. And I seem to recall that a few years back one of our Red Dress Ink titles featured product placement for Bacardi, I think there was even a special martini drink recipe included with the book?...I know we ALL got shot glasses in our Christmas packages at work that year, LOL.
But in general I would have to say you won't find too much of it here. I would wager that what you are seeing is just the authors trying to add color and background and context to the worlds their characters are inhabiting
Jayne
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RE: BRAND NAMES IN NOVELS
I will have to say that I'v never seen this in a novel. I have seen it in "movie-star" rags where Paris is holding on to a particular bottle of soda she was drinking, etc. I would feel cheapened by it; Instead of being appreciated by the author as a reader of his or her material,I'm now just a "specaialized purchasing demographic".Besides, I'm not really one of those Blokes that uses the name brand stuff I see on the telly, but i get the less expensive knock-off at the Dollar Kingdom.
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re: product placement in books
Love Jayne's post with the insider look at the issue!
It must be hard as an author to decide what to do with brand names...whether they add colour or detract from the story. I know in the past there have been times when I've been thrown out of a story because it mentioned a brand name (of course now I can't think of the example!).
I do love it though when a book mentions a local store or restaurant in a city/town I've visited...somehow in that case it's charming.
Some Examples: You Be the Judge
Hi All:
I don’t want to name to the book or the author (it's one of the best romances I’ve read all year) but look at these quotes:
"That thought made her sit down on his bed. It practically bounced back at her. It was one of those fancy Temperpedic mattresses that she and Wes had looked at in a specialty story in the mall. It was all about helping bad backs and ensuring a good night’s rest. Claire wondered if it actually worked."
(How could you know what kind of mattress it is if the bed is made? Do you believe this copy?)
“Wes simply went to the fridge and pulled out a bottle of Miller Light.”
“Ty took a swig of his Miller Light and hoped Claire had a couple others stashed away” (That Miller Light must be a good beer.).
"Deciding to take advantage of it, she wandered over to his dresser and peeked at his cologne, Eddie Bauer. Claire smiled. It was nothing too fancy but so perfect for Ty: outdoorsy, masculine, steady. Not too showy but well made. "
(It sounds like a copywriter may have written this.)
“…a couple of cans of Coke”.
“One Big Mac combo and a Coke…”
“I like the iPod a lot”. (There were quite a few iPod mentions even going to the store to buy one.)
I can see one or two mentions but this looks like a trend here.
Now, there is a very big author I saw on TV who says you can buy the right to name his characters in his novels for many thousands of dollars and he gives the money to charity. I think I know who he was but I am not 100% sure. So he is doing a good thing even if I don’t like it.
I don’t know how to come down on this issue. If a mattress company came to me and said they would give me $1000 in mattresses if I’d just mention their brand favorably in my next novel would I be wrong to take it? I would be very, very tempted.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Vince
“Romances are the emotional vitamins of the soul.” Vince
Product placement
Vince, again I have to step in to say my $0.02. My thinking is that our authors are actually more concerned with telling a good story, than figuring out how to work out a product placement in the book.
Jayne
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I Agree with You
Hello Jayne:
I agree with you. Besides, I am not sure I would object if an author did do some product placement if it did not hurt the story. I would object a lot, however, if the publisher demanded the placement and then kept the money for the company. Somehow this would not seem right.
Thanks,
Vince
“Romances are the emotional vitamins of the soul.” Vince
RE: PRODUCT PLACEMENT
I don't think anyone really has a problem with, "Mike stepped up to the counter and ordered a diet coke," but I WOULD have a problem if the "book" (term used loosely here), in actuality, turned out to be a "hidden" advertisement for a particular brand of clothing, etc., or if EVERY product it mentioned was branded: "Liz painted little Matt's bedroom with BENJAMIN-MOORE paint in a colour that matched the MARTHA STEWART comforter she bought at KMART,"
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Ads in books
Vince -- I would have a problem with authors putting mini-ads in their books. I know sometimes it works good in terms of description to say that a character is driving a Mercedes (for instance) as that says something about the character. Not sure I'd go with using a brand name for a mattress though (as you said, how would the character see that unless she took off the sheets)? The basic dividing line for me would be if the author took money for the positive mention. it just doesn't seem right (and, if they did it, it should clearly say that on the book someplace).
P.S. -- My experience so far is that Steeple Hill editors are very reluctant to use any Brand names even if it's used to develop a character.
Janet
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Brand Names in Books
I think, if the product was McDonalds, Coke, a car (Mercedes, BMW, etc.), or shoes in chick lit, etc., I wouldn't think anything of it. In fact, I get a little distracted and irritated when authors obviously try to avoid a major brand name that fits into the story. But, outright advertising would annoy me. Because I didn't purchase the book to get advertisements. I have enough of that on TV.
Jo
Product placement
As an aspiring writer I have this conflict when I'm writing. I could say blank walked down pit road wearing sunglasses. Or say that blank walked down pit road taking off his(Okay I'm just taking a stab at it ) Guess sunglasses to get a better look at blank. I don't see how you can not get away with saying Toyota Prius if the character has one. Or even the national restaurant chains if there are kids in the book. There are McDonald's everywhere. Even with perfume, certain perfume brings up a different scent. Just about everyone knows what Obsession and Chloe smell like and can picture that in their mind.
RE: PRODUCT PLACEMENT
On this particularlly sun drenched morning...the sounds of ornamental and beach grasses gently waving in the warm July breezes were comforting to Janice's troubled spirit. She opened the Igloo cooler next to her ComforSeat lawnchair, which was in close proximity to her faux-crystal glass beach table and party umbrella combination. Janice reached into the cooler and pulled out an orange Sunny Delight (in one of those smaller plastic bottles) to drink. Ethel Nertz, Janice's "side-kick" and housekeeper that always comes on these Fort Meyers jaunts with the wealthy Heiress Janice was munching on a Quaker Oats granola bar. Apple.
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I particularly liked the lawn furniture. If you added illustrations and phone numbers, people could shop as they read the book. You could be on to something here.
Janet
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ads in books
I would have a real problem with ads in a book. I want to scream when I go into a dentist or doctror's office and see a TV running with ads for dental procedures or drugs. I have yet to read a book from any pulisher, Harlequin included, that has set off my cynical buttons. An author or publisher would be crazy to try it and risk a lot of backlash. Brand names, esp. in Chick lit, do say something about character sometimes. If someone told my story, it would have to include certain brand names. In a historical I think it would be super cool if the author included brand names of defunct products and stores.
I am sick and tired of seeing ads everywhere. My dh and I no longer watch television because we are so sick and tired of ads screaming at us...but there are some ads that are just cool ... and much better than the actual television! As much as I hate advertising, I love some advertising because some advertising can be an art form.
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Hi Paisley:
The whole idea of working product names into a story is so they won’t seem like ads. The human mind puts up filters to screen out ads that we know are ads. That is why product placement is so powerful. While your mind is wide open to let the story enter they slip in an ad.
I love the idea of brand names in historical novels. Louis L’Amour loved to mention magazines that were available in the old west. The Police Gazette was evidently a favorite in the bunk house. But then everyone knows that since these don’t exist anymore nothing nefarious is going on.
As for TV, my wife and I watch almost no live TV. We tape everything and zap through the commercials. Only live sporting events need to be seen in real time.
Thanks for your post.
Vince
“Romances are the emotional vitamins of the soul.” Vince
Advertising
Vince, I read a book a long time ago about subliminal advertising and I have also heard about this product placement ads quite a while ago but I never really though about it in books because I have yet to see it. It's hard to miss it on television. I never in my life thought I would give up TV but the ads got so loud, louder than the programming, and even the mute doesn't kill the seconds of being blasted. We never meant to give up TV. It just happened. I think the other thing that got to me was how the local news is now all advertising more than news. I don't want this product placement thing in books. In my opinion, it would make a publisher lose credibility. Infrequently used to build character ok but in today's world, an author or publisher who did it would be ripped to shreds if someone say them getting paid for placement.
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As a formal journalist...
...I would HATE to see ads pop up in novels! There is the great need for sponsors elsewhere! LOL
I add brand names in the stories I write when I'm trying to be specific. I find that a reader will sometimes relate to a character more, feel that they're real, if the character actually uses brands just like a real person. For instance, which of the two sounds more enticing: 'She narrowed her eyes, watching him closely as she flicked the tab of her Diet Coke.' or 'She narrowed her eyes, watching him closely as she flicked the tab of her generic diet cola'? Sounds kind of comical I know. And some people may be shrugging their shoulders and saying, 'who cares?'.
Anyway, IMHO, I think that's why most authors insert brand names into their novels.
I would have written
She narrowed her eyes, watching him closely as she flicked the tab of her soda'?
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Soda....
depends on what area you are writing from or to. In the South, saying "soda" sounds odd as we tend to use "Coke" no matter what the drink is.
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That's something to think About.
Hi:
I’m beginning to think that defining “product placement” is like defining "pornography": “I know it when I see it.”
I really enjoy knowing what James Bond drinks and what kind of gun he carries. In rich and famous stories, I want to know how the rich live. I want to know what it is like to drive a $100,000 sports car or fly a private jet.
There is an absolute place for brand names which is not the same thing as product placement. In product placement the author or the publisher or both are being paid for naming the product in the novel. I think that this is wrong in principle but it may not necessarily be always wrong. What if Bacardi rum was going to be named in the story anyway? Wouldn’t it be allowable for the author to take a fee from Bacardi? (What if she gave the fee to charity?) Can we say it is always wrong to take a fee for product placement?
This topic is a whole lot more complicated than I originally thought. I think it is safe to say, however, that readers won’t like it if they find out it is being done.
Thanks,
Vince
“Romances are the emotional vitamins of the soul.” Vince
Wrong?
Vince --
I think it would always be wrong to take money for product placement unless the reader was notified of the fact (even then I can't imagine it would go over too well, unless of course the book is free which is how television gets away with all of their ads).
Janet
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Fake Frenchie, you will...
...probably think this is weird, but we never refer to colas or soft drinks as sodas here in my neck of the woods (very small heartland town). I think Debiw781 is probably right - depends on where you come from in what terms you label things (like a dialect). Debbie said down south where she lives they refer to all colas as Cokes. And here where I'm from we actually just call them pops. But 'pop' just doesn't have the right ring for a romance novel, do you think? LOL! Well, on the other hand, it just might work....
I think it would always be wrong to take money for product …
I don't think I agree. If the writer does it well, it would be unimportant. The Chick lit books that "everyone" is reading drop brand names all the time, and even in Betty Neels books, she wrote about the type of cars the characters were driving. If BN got paid by the company making minis, for example, it wouldn't make me like her books any less, and the fact that the chick lit authors don't get paid for scattering brand names like grass seed doesn't make me like their books any more. I don't think it's a moral question at all.
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About the Soda, Pop, Cola, Coke Issue
Hi:
I agree with FF in that I don’t see this as an issue. The author should use the term that is appropriate for the characters in the book. I don’t like it when the characters in a book call a car hood a “bonnet”, or the trunk a “boot”, or a truck a “lorry” because it is jarring but then that is how the characters actually speak. Then again, I love to try and figure out what some of the English terms mean that I never heard of in an Australian romance. It’s part of the charm of an Outback story.
Thanks,
Vince
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I know FF changed the word to 'soda'
>> 'She narrowed her eyes, watching him closely as she flicked the tab of her Diet Coke.' or 'She narrowed her eyes, watching him closely as she flicked the tab of her generic diet cola'?
but how about just dropping the word 'generic'--so it read, "She narrowed her eyes, watching him closely as she flicked the tab of her diet cola?" Or change it to, "she popped the top of her sports drink."
There are ways to change most sentences to leave out the brand name without changing the image the author is trying to create. Designer shoes would work as well as Brand name shoes. Dropping brand names, IMHO, is a lot like name dropping.
okay, climbing off my soapbox
Nancy
I was thinking about this....
while reading the JR Ward book this weekend as the characters repeatedly referred negatively to a particular car. It made me laugh as the comments were dead on (I was stuck with this particular brand of car as a rental) and I think it added a bit of realism to the story. Let's face it, we DO focus on brands a lot and to go out of the way to ignore them would sound odd. Thinking on it further, the MaryJanice Davidson vampire chick lit books wouldn't be the same if Betsy wasn't fussing over her shoes and simply saying designer shoes wouldn't sound as sincere as the actual brand names... because the main character is focused on brand names.
I hope I'm explaining this well... it is early in the morning but the car issue in the JR Ward book really had me thinking about this issue.....
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