I'm just about to blog a book by an author I hang out with here on the boards (no worries I enjoyed it and am happy to say so) but it got me wondering now that there are so many of us blogging the books we read, how do YOU handle it when/if an author/friend who has always been an autobuy writes a book you really don't like? Will it kick them automatically off your autobuy list or would you give them another chance? How many chances would you give them on the basis of your eharlequin friendship? Are you more demanding because of it, or more lenient than you would be with a different author with whom you don't have the same contact?
When an eharl member gets the call and becomes published, do you feel "obliged" to buy the book, even if it's in a line you normally wouldn't read (Spice or Steeple Hill for example)? Would you put those members on autobuy lists more quickly? How diplomatic would you be if you really didn't like it?
Because we're all different and as long as we're polite we're under no obligation whatsoever (at least from where I'm sitting) to gush or pretend we like books when we don't. But I've got the impression that some people think it's a con, and that they think I automatically say I like certain authors, whether or not I've enjoyed their books.
I don't do that, there are books that leave me perplexed and there are books that I immediately like, that resonate with me.
So far I've been extremely lucky that most of my "friend" authors write excellent books and so this remains a hypothetical question, but I was wondering if it had happened to anyone else, and if so, how you handled it - I don't want to know who the author was, because that's irrelevant - just wondered how you got out of the sticky spot you may have ended up in
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Wow-great question
There are quite a few questions there -- now can I remember all of them
. Do I have favorite authors and are they an autobuy--yes, even after a not so great book. I'm not going to like absolutely everything an author writes, and some of the reasons may have nothing to do with the book itself. Now if the for some reason the author's next three books are not so good (IMHO) I would then stop autobuying-I might still buy, but I would preview the book, as long as the next book or two are great they would go back on the autobuy list. This would be true of any author, well maybe I would be a bit more lenient if the author and I were friends.
I have not liked every book I've read and blogged on this site. I try to be careful when I write a review because I'm always cognizant that the problem with the book may be me, not the way the book was written. On the other hand, there have been a few books that I felt were just "off" for some reason, but what jars me and knocks me out of a book may not bother another reader. So, if I am not gushing over a book it doesn't always mean that the book is the problem.
If a friend writes a book and it is picked up by a line I don't normally read. Hmmmmmm, that is a bit problematical. I would want to support my friend by reading the book, but then if I disliked the book because it really didn't resonate for me I wouldn't want to come across that it was the book. I would probably say in reviewing the book: I really like the way the author did ______, however I have a hard time understanding this ______ response. For the lover of 'XYZ' books give it a try and let us know your thoughts.
Okay, maybe that would be a cop out, but it would be one I could live with. Okay, so there have been a few books that I've really wondered how they got published because of problems that I thought were so jarring that they did not deserve publishing, but that number has been really small. There have been a few books that I didn't enjoy because they just didn't grab my interest. There have been a few books that I had to put down because I stopped caring about the H/h. But I have been reading a long time and there really have been only a small number that I couldn't finish and say they were good, very good or great reads.
Nancy
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I'd keep it on autobuy, so s/he'd "know" I'd bought it, and of course, display it on a shelf in the Living Room where everyone could see it and know that "so-and-so" is a friend of mine. -- but I probably wouldn't actually read it. I'd keep buying/reading his/her stuff. Everyone is entitled to a "dud" once in a while -- even if that individual is an author.
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Oh...BTW...and if anyone does follow my postings...he/she knows there are books I do enjoy and books I don't enjoy -- and I'm just as vocal about "not enjoyed" as "enjoyed." To the point to where I sometimes think I'm a rude Rake in my reviews. I'm just glad that I do enjoy more than I don't enjoy!
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Thanks Nancy, thanks Marty for your opinions
as I said, it hasn't happened to me yet, and with the excellent
quality of books here I'm hopeful it never will, but I'm aware it might
Hugs
Sadhbh
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Great questions!
Auto-buys. I only have one author (Susan Elizabeth Phillips) who is an auto buy for me. She would need to suck royally for a long time before I bumped her off the list. Others I buy if the story line sounds good, and even then, some of my favorites would have to have written repeated klunkers before I wrote them off completely.
As far as feeling obligated to buy a book from a forum member who has sold, for me it really depends on the person and the situation. There are some authors who've been especially nice to me, and I enjoy buying their books as a gesture of appreciation for their friendship and support. Do I feel obligated? No. It's more a desire to return the kindness they've shown to me, or out of a genuine desire to read their work.
But you touch on something that's hit me a couple times since I started this blogging challenge, and that's how you blog books you don't particularly care for. As a Harlequin author, I'll be completely frank and tell you you won't hear me saying anything negative about any Harlequin books (which for me is hard because I tend to say what I think--much to my own demise at times). But that's the business end of this and the need to remain respectful of my peers. After all, the book is done and published. It's not like they can change it after the fact.
On the flipside, do I lie through my teeth and say I like it? No. Because then how would anyone know if I genuinely did like a book and am encouraging people to buy it? That in itself is a disservice to authors I like and readers I enjoy sharing opinions with. It's important to me that if I say it's a great book, people believe that.
Also, being on the other end, I wouldn't want readers to tell me they loved my book when they really didn't. Do I want to hear a long, scathing rant about it? No. But it means a lot more to me to hear positive things about my books if I know the person isn't just being nice because we chat.
Lori
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Review negative- yes, Bash-no
When I have spoken with or chatted with an author, they do become more vivid and "real" to me than an author I've never interacted with. That is one reason why I love the author pictures and short letters from them in the backs of our books.. they become more real.
That being said, I try to be fair with all my reviews. If I give a 5, I hands down LOVE LOVE LOVE the book. But I've also given a few rare 1's and 2's. When I do so, I say what didn't work for me. I try to be tactful and gentle in any comments I make, but yes, when the author seems like more of a friend, I might think longer and harder about how to say what I need to say, yet still point out what is positive too. I have done that before when the endings seemed anti-climatic, or rushed, or the actions illogical.
Would I keep reading the author? Yes, I would but agree that I might be more selective about which ones or wait to read reviews first.
Great question!
Crystal
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Lori - I'm laughing a little at your comment, because you
HAVE to know you're one of the authors I consider my friends on this site
,
both because we hung out on the Blaze threads before you were published
and because you sent me something to read when I was short of reading
material
As
you know I loved your first two books, so I didn't have the problem but
I am aware that there are authors whose voice I just don't get, and
also authors who write for lines I just don't like.
and don't get
)
me started on matchmakers or interfering sisters or friends, because I
don't think I'd like those stories (even with my OWN name on the cover
LOL
I
think as you've all pointed out that the best thing to do is try and
articulate why (whatever) didn't work for you, whether it was your
mood, that it's a pet peeve, that there were typos that just happened
to escape everyone's vigilance or that the n-1 version got
inadvertently sent to the printers (There are indeed published works
out there (like one English translation of Celine's Voyage au bout de
la nuit) which quite honestly should never have seen the light of day,
but Harlequin didn't publish them) and say it politely, then it's not
bashing and those people for whom it isn't a problem can still
read the reviews and say "well she didn't like it because she doesn't
like Sheikhs but I should really enjoy it".
We've already
discussed writing "bad" reviews before, I was just interested in the
take of it being authors you've got to "know" via the net
What
I'd really love to know is whether there's a big difference in sales
for the authors who hang out here regularly as opposed to those who
don't. It would be totally impossible to compute the variables so we'll
never know. I'd also love to know the effect of the Challenge blogs on
sales of a particular book, but there again it would probably take too
much time and money (even if you could isolate the variables)
As you can all see, my brain has rested a little, wonder what weird and wonderful notions I'll come up with next
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...As you know I loved your first two books....
LOL. I wrote that post, went back to the Dream Team thread and saw you were putting up Million Dollar Secrets books. My first thought was, "It's me! She read Underneath It All and hated it! Now she's just trying to figure out how she can trash it without hurting my feelings!" LOL!
Okay, so then I remembered you'd already read it.
But seriously, I think bloggers need to be kind yet honest about their opinions, otherwise, you lose integrity when recommending books to other readers. And I say that as an author with a book coming out in a few weeks. While I can't speak for everyone, I'd prefer knowing that the people who like my work sincerely do, and if that means I need to hear what didn't work for some, that's the bones I take for being a writer.
Hey, nobody promised me it would be a big love fest. LOL!
Lori
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I think..
it's tough when you know the author. But I believe honesty is the best policy. I have given some lower ratings but I've tried to be respectful.
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No actually Lori, the book I was referring to is
one of Sam's - Talking in your sleep
,
but from where I'm sitting it's much of a muchness, liking your books
and liking Sam's - I'm really jealous that you get sneak peeks of each
other's books long before I get to read them
Hugs
Sadhbh
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This may be easier for me
Since I really don't know anyone and only have corresponded with authors when they acknowledge my review of their book, I don't think I have offended any of them yet. I try to be honest in my reviews. I understand too that what I like or don't like should not make a book a read or not read book for someone else. If I don't like a book, I usually figure it to be me not the author (otherwise they wouldn't be authors right.....) I would NEVER drop an autobuy author from my list for one bad book. I stopped reading Sue Grafton, Patricia Cornwell and Danielle Steele only because their books became the same story with different names and places (again only my opinion as I am sure others still enjoy them). I have one aspiring writer friend (a fellow appraiser) who's book I will buy in advance when (never if) she is published whether it is my typical genre or not. Love to support my friends in any endeavor and writers seem to work very very hard for their chance to shine!!
Bonsal
Hey Sadhbh
I'm just happy you liked the book. ;>
FWIW, I never post about books I didn't like. That's just my personal opinion, and I wouldn't tell others what to do, but to my mind, I find more value in posting a positive review than a negative one because 1) the negative review is just my opinion, and very likely there are a lot of people who liked the book I didn't so why would I want to bias someone else's opinion, when they may very well like the book? and 2) I just prefer to remain positive. :)
I post reviews for an author site called Writers Are Readers and let me say I would never post a dishonest review. I would never post saying I liked a book that I didn't but I also tend to keep negative thoughts to myself (aside of personal discussions among friends on email, over coffee, etc which is different -- but even there, I'd rather recommend a book than dash one). I just think it's better policy.
Sam
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Thank goodness I haven't
Thank goodness I haven't run into this very often. There have only been a few books I haven't liked. I try to find something positive to say. I won't fib though if a book didn't work for me. Luckily all the authors I've met I've really enjoyed their books.
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Influences ......
if an autobuy author writes a book I'm not thrilled with, I'll continue to read their books .... if there are more books that aren't working for me, I'll reevaluate my choice of their status as autobuy .... and I've done that
the reviews here have influenced my buying ... I love reading what others think of a book and have discovered many "new-to-me" authors through the reviews ... I love the fact that authors are accessible here, but I don't think I've felt obligated to buy their books just because I've become familiar with them here in the Community ...... I do like debuts, but usually I'll purchase them after I read what others think .... it's more of a budget thing and an over flowing TBR thing ...... though I will say that seeing how an author interacts here with others can tempt me to read their books; if I like their voice on the boards, I find I want more of their voice
reviewing a book that doesn't work is always hard .... and I agree with Sam .... reading is a personal experience, and what may not work for me might work for someone else ..... I tend to use the rating system to express the degree a book didn't work and I keep my wording positive and not openly critical ..... I don't feel I have the right to be openly critical on a public forum of someone's work that they've toiled and sweated over .... if an author asks me one on one, I'll be more specific .... and I don't think I've felt compelled to give a glowing review just because I've "met" the author here
interesting discussion!
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if you can't say anything nice...
don't say anything at all. That's my policy.
There are obviously going to be books that I don't enjoy (you can't love everything you read) but I'm not the type of person who will go out and write a scathing review just because i happened to hate the book. Obviously other people had to have liked it (the person who wrote it, the person who bought it, the person who edited, etc.) and just because I don't share their opinion doesn't mean I'm going to go out and trash the story. If I don't like something, I just won't blog about it. :)
As for my writing friends, I"m with Lori on the auto-buy issue. Some people have been pretty great to me in my struggle to get published, and I buy their books to support them the way they supported me. I"ll be honest, I haven't yet come across a book written by a writing friend that I've hated, but if I did, I wouldn't stop buying their stuff. I'm sure at some point in my career someone will hate something I wrote, and I wouldn't want to be written off because of one not-so-great book...
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Leeanne!
I think you have it exactly right. Well said.
I never buy into the "we have an obligation to share what we didn't like" line of thinking. Unless we work for a publication which is paying us to advise readers and to share our honest opinion publicly, we have no obligation to that end whatsoever.
I always wonder what people think will be achieved by posting a negative review? What real value is there? As a writer, I have never changed anything in my writing based on a negative review, and I know editors don't really pay them any mind. At least a positive review can tell people about a book they may want to read, and it generally supports the writer and the book -- there is value there.
I agree wholeheartedly with your points. ;)
Sam
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Well, there is negative and
Well, there is negative and negative. I used to hate discussing the on line reads because everyone commenting would give the impression that it was the best story since Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. You can be polite and still offer a critical point of view (which is not the same as negative IMO), while also saying that you acknowledge that it is only your opinion. I for one appreciate knowing why a story works for someone and why it doesn't for others, so that I can make my choice based on that reasoning.
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My opinion (since you asked)
An auto-buy author is allowed an off book. If it's really off, I'll probably wonder what was going on in her/his life when they wrote it. But it would take more than one book to make me move them from auto-buy to auto-consider to less than that.
Authors who hang out here get more of my time and money just b/c I have some sort of a relationship with them. Yes, I'm more lenient with them. Luckily, I haven't really needed to be b/c they're all really good writers.
I only buy books from new authors if the book appeals to me. So a friend who's been hanging out here who sells isn't guaranteed a purchase from me. That almost doesn't apply to me b/c I only hang out in a couple of threads and they're already lines that I enjoy. So, someone selling in Desire or Blaze or Steeple Hill isn't probably someone I know b/c I don't hang out there . . .
As for negative reviews well, last year if I didn't like a book, I just changed my numbers and didn't review it and trusted that no one noticed. This year, I don't have that luxury. BUT since I'm being pickier, I've actually put a couple of books down that weren't pulling me in by the third or so chapter, so maybe I won't be finishing any books that I don't like . . .
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Frenchie
"You can be polite and still offer a critical point of view (which is not the same as negative IMO), while also saying that you acknowledge that it is only your opinion."
French, I totally agree with that. If I'm reviewing something on my blog, or for a review site, then I'll be honest about what worked for me and what didn't. But I think when I'm blogging on certain sites, especially publisher ones, it's best to keep the negative reviews to myself. What I think might just be minor criticism might seem like a total trashing to someone else and it's also so hard to get a point across when you're writing it and not saying it verbally--I've seen tons of people start beefs with each other because one person's comment came off as rude or sarcastic, when that probably wasn't their intention but looked like it when typed out.
Sometimes that drives me crazy, when people pick up sarcasm in something I wrote, and I have to say, "No honest, I was being serious!" Anyone else ever share that problem?
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negative reviews
Oh, and I forgot--my first e-release got a horrible review from a particular reviewer. she gave it 40-something out of a 100, trashed the whole story, and I was moping about it for days. so when I say negative reviews, I don't mean ones that say stuff like "although the pacing was slow and the plot hard to understand at times, the characters were really fun and..."etc. See, those reviews are fine with me, because at least both good and bad points are addressed.
By negative I mean the reviews that pretty much say your book sucked and there were no redeeming aspects to it. Those are the ones that hurt
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What timing!
I am in this very predicament. An author I have a great deal of respect for who I've interacted with through blogs etc recently had her first major release. I wanted desperately to love the book, and generally speaking I do think I view 'friends' books with a less critical eye. Unfortunately, I HATED this. Like Leanne, I'm of the school of 'if you don't have anything nice to say...' Or at worst I'll skim over the things that didn't work for me and find something positive, but I truly hated everything about this book. Ridiculously implausible plot, lame characters, run-on sentences that left me short of breath, and twice the H's name was misspelled.
She knows I've read the book and is likely waiting on my opinion. Because I know I'd sooner have someone's true opinion than sunshine blown up my butt, I will find a way to give her feedback without lying or being unnecessarily mean. But it will be a tricky piece of writing. :(
Lainey
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The comments on negative
The comments on negative reviews are interesting. I agree I don't support bashing someone's work, but I do appreciate reading when a book doesn't work for someone and why. It may be I have the same issues. It doesn't mean I won't read the book, sometimes a negative review, especially if there is a lot of mixed feelings on a book, will compel me to read it. But it may keep me away from a book that isn't my cup of tea.
As for the authors, I understand not wanting to write a negative review. I know a lot of authors won't review books at all.
Cady
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Better hope she doesn't come
Better hope she doesn't come to eHQ, Lainey.
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And amn't I lucky I didn't have the problem with either
Lori, Lainey or Sam
Actually
when the characters make you want to fling the book against a wall, the
author can consider that a compliment, because at least you're not
saying they're insipid and boring, they're generating a strong
reaction, even though a negative one
Actually all this chatting
with Leeanne is making me really impatient to read her Blaze and her
SRS. I like those lines anyway, but even if she wrote for Steeple Hill
and RDI (probably my least favourite imprints) I'd still be impatient
to read her books - because she's got Lori all excited and I already
know that Lori and I share some of the same taste in books
I'm actually procrastinating on writing my book reviews, which is unfair to Sam as her book is one of the ones in the pile
Hopefully
by tomorrow at the latest - I have to start organizing dinner - moules
frites for the men and franks for those of us who don't like mussels
Hugs
Sadhbh
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Wow, what an interesting discussion!
It is much harder to write a review or my thoughts on a book that didn't just grab me than one that left me wanting to go on & on about how good it was!!
I try not to bash any book but to say something positive even if the book isn't going in my favorite pile. "Knowing" some of the authors through this website or through their blog makes it a bit harder to say you didn't like a book. So far that hasn't been a problem. What I have loved about discovering eHarlequin several years ago is having real contact with authors and getting the opportunity to know them as people. Thanks Lori, Sam, Leslie, Catherine, and others that I'm not thinking of at the moment. I'm looking forward to meeting more as time goes by. Reading about how much work goes into any book makes me appreciate them even more.
Another great discussion, Sadhbh.
Take care, happy reading,
Donna M, Dream Team member
This is a good question,
This is a good question, and esp. for a community here. I am sure it would surprise people who read my reviews, but I have read books I abosolutely HATE. It's rare, I think, just because of the way I read and what kinds of things excite me in reading.
It depends on what is about a book that I don't like. if it's a style issue, I am just straightforward and I say why it didn't work for me along with what did. It's not personal. Hopefully an author can take that...they do have to deal with editors who may be harder on them. If it is a stlye issue (the main reason why I downgrade in number ratings when I use them and the main reason that turns a 4.5 read into a 5 star read), I will read that author again. If there are serious stlye issues, esp. in a more established author, I tend to maybe not buy them if I feel they are just being lazy for the sake of getting out a book or to crank them out to make money rather than focusing on their writing. With a debut author or a relatively new one, I am much more likely to keep readingthem because it is very exciting to read them and see their growth. I prefer growth to laziness, decline and a sense of stasis.
And then there is the issue of the vision of the author. If there is something in the vision that really offends me, out that author's book goes. I don't care if the whole world likes them, they are out. I am not even sure I would want them as more than passing friends just because their vision of the world is sooooo different. For me to hae a book that intensely, it means that I feel that the author's book isn't just a bad story but something much more serious. Given all the sorts of books I do read and enjoy, I think you can get a very clear idea that when I mean serious, that is a polite understatement.
Sometimes my silence means much more ... sometimes a book can be so offensive that even mentioning it is giving it more credit than it deserves. Yet I guess other times, my silence is just a matter of an overwhelming TBR. The good thing is that the more romance I read, the more skill I have in picking my reads.
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honest vs saying nothing
The first time I read something for this challenge and knew I didn't like the book, I wondered what to do. I wanted the book to count for the challenge, but I didn't like the story and I didn't want to hurt an author's feelings. That indivdual labored over the words printed on those pages. Who am I to trash their hard work? But should I say something nice even if I hated it? Or should I say nothing and the book isn't counted? Should I try to find something positive? Most books have something positive to say.
Liking a story is so subjective, and I can love something that the next reader will hate. So, I try to say what it was about the book that worked for me and what didn't work for me. I know there are authors out there who have written dozens of books--obviously there is at least one editor that sees the worth in this author's writing. Certainly the market is bearing out that editor's view, otherwise they wouldn't continue publishing this author. So, my views are just that...my views. It doesn't make my views wrong either. The author's style didn't resonate with me, the author had an 'off' book, characters might be weak, or shallow, the author has gotten into a groove and I've tired of the sameness of every book.
Reading someone else's review that has, what I view as honest comments, but might show dissatisfaction with the read helps me decide if this is a book I want to read or not. Other's have mentioned limited budgets--both of time and money--that's a reality for some of us. I prefer reading books that resonate for me. So, I appreciate the souls who are brave enough to tell me what they liked and what they did not like about a book.
Nancy
Nancy
Hi Donna, Merri, Nancy - thanks for contributing your opinions
as I said, it's not really about being honest or always having to be
positive in general, my question was really when it's the authors I
have regular discussions with (like Sam, Lori, Leeanne, Cathy, and in
the past, Kate, Von, Cindi and Jo).
Explaining why you didn't
like someone's book is always delicate and we're not blogging as CPs.
The books have been published and so editors were happy that they were
the best they could be. The fact that not everyone will like them that
way is just one of the nonperks of the business. But when you've maybe
heard the author talking about the book from the start, you remember
the difficult spots, the laughs and the hiccoughs, it can be a little
more difficult to admit to a friend that in spite of all the efforts it
still didn't work for you. The author knows the book won't work for
everybody but somehow when you've been chatting with them for what
seems like forever, they might have difficulty accepting that you
don't "get" the reasoning behind the hero's arrogance or the heroine's
timidity (or whatever) because after all you've been involved in the
chatting from the start.
As I said I've been very lucky so far,
I've never had to tell an author I positively absolutely detested
everything about her book. I haven't always loved everything, but I've
always been able to find at least 75% positive if not better than that
for "friends"' books. But you know me and my questions, I couldn't
avoid the "what if?"
Hugs
Sadhbh
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