Why I never leave out that first critique...

On the UK M&B Editors thread, there's been a bit of a discussion about critique partners. I told my story, because I love to. My relationship with my CP is very possibly the most important one in my career; certainly it's the longest running. And I continue to tell the part where I almost quit writing. Read on to see what I wrote:

"Once upon a time I had questions about London as I was writing a to-be-rejected book. :-) I asked on one of the threads here, which has since become The Mouse and Pen thread, and Michelle offered to answer them.

This was I think about the end-ish of 2003? I think around then as Michelle sent me her recipe for christmas pudding. LOL What followed was her offering to read a manuscript for me. If you've read Michelle's posts you've probably gathered she's really smart and I thought, why not. The other thing Michelle is is honest. I got that critique back and cried and considered quitting (she probably hates that I never leave this part out, lol). "

Of course Michelle and I were e-mailing yesterday and talking about it.

There IS a reason why I never leave that part out of the story. In an e-mail to her, I said, "It was a hard lesson to learn but one that a lot of writers NEED to learn in this business. It is sometimes hard to hear the truth but you need to recognize it for truth and be willing to work. In some ways there is a certain amount of ego that has to come with writing and then there is a certain place where it doesn’t belong at ALL. You need it to keep going sometimes….a belief in yourself rather than blind ego, if that makes sense. But you really need to open your mind to the fact that there is always a better way. To see possibilities rather than needing to be RIGHT."

As writers we love what we create. But you cannot be married to your words. You need to accept that you WILL be asked to change things and make adjustments. The writer that refuses to change anything because their writing is perfect, or simply because they say this is THEIR story....those writers are shooting themselves in the foot. They will likely miss out on a contract, and more than that, they are missing a learning opportunity. I can honestly say that revisions always make my books stronger. And that means the changes I make based on critiques or the ones I make at my editor's urging.

When Michelle sent that critique, I wasn't ready. Full stop. The difference is, an editor sent me a form letter and Michelle pointed out WHY. She gave me something to work with. There was no place for pride...I could either be right, or I could learn and work towards getting published. No one is going to coddle you and urge you along, editors and agents are just TOO busy. So with that first critique, I cried because my pride was hurt. Then I knew that despite it, I WANTED to be published. I couldn't imagine quitting. So I looked again, and rolled up my sleeves.

I think I feel so passionately about it because I know how hard I worked. I know how much I worked learning craft and submitting and being rejected (and by the way, the learning never ends). I know some people sell right away, but for most there's a learning curve and it takes however long it takes. And I think it's a part of my upbringing that says, if you can't do it, then quit. If you can, look forward and hitch up your britches for hard work. If you are willing to take the journey, you'll get to the destination.

For what it's worth, a few years later the rewrite of that first book she critiqued became HIRED BY THE COWBOY, my first Harlequin Romance.

Food for thought.

Donna

FALLING FOR MR DARK AND DANGEROUS, Romance, August 08, Aus/NZ Sept. 08
THE RANCHER'S RUNAWAY PRINCESS, Romance, January 09
HIRED: THE ITALIAN'S BRIDE, Romance, June 09
http://www.donnaalward.com
http://www.donnaalward.blogspot.com

I told you so

I told you that you could do it, and you did.

And you know what, you still can.

Dedication, desire, discpline, determination plus persistance.

Michelle, pleased and proud to be your critque partner.

 

An Impulsive Debutante* (M&BH Sept 08)*A Question of Impropriety (M&BH Nov 08)* Viking Warrior Unwilling Wife (Hh Dec 08)
website: http://www.michellestyles.co.uk * blog http://www.michellestyles.blogspot.com

Great blog. Great

Great blog. Great advice.

I have listened to other unpublished writers that use a ton of passive constructions or do a lot of head hopping and when this is pointed out to them, they get defensive. They say this is just their style and that they aren't changing for anyone, even an editor. I just shake my head.

Granted harsh crit's are never easy to take but most times my experiences with crit's have been quite beneficial.

Small towns...big romances
http://www.JenniferFaye.com

Hear, hear!

Great post, Donna!

My editor asked me to do some revisions for An Honorable Rogue (this was no surprise as every novel I've had published has had revisions!!).   But these were hard revisions, and doing them was the most brain-boggling thing I've ever done.   But the thing is, I knew my editor was right.   So I did them, and because I knew they would improve the book I enjoyed doing them, despite the difficulties.

Best wishes

Carol

Carol

Thanks for posting, Carol!  I know with my book that's out next month, I had fairly heavy revisions.  I KNEW what was wrong and couldn't see how to fix it.  At one point it just needed her eyes...and boy sending her a book I knew still needed help took some major trust on my part. 

She could see it so much more objectively than I could.  I'm happy with the end result.

Donna

FALLING FOR MR DARK AND DANGEROUS, Romance, August 08, Aus/NZ Sept. 08
THE RANCHER'S RUNAWAY PRINCESS, Romance, January 09
HIRED: THE ITALIAN'S BRIDE, Romance, June 09
http://www.donnaalward.com
http://www.donnaalward.blogspot.com

Interesting

I just wrote a crit saying the internal conflicts causing an external conflict between my CP's hero and heroine wasn't resolved (except off-screen between The end and the epilogue). I haven't posted it, or my crits of that last third of the book (which basically said we should be making progress towards solving these conflicts.)

I guess I wonder if I should. Another CP of my CP (we're in a group so I can see other crits) wrote what a wonderful, made-me-cry ending it was.

And it's so hard to find pluses in this book that can come close to balancing my basic message -- your book needs a lot of work.  Should I say what I think? What if no one else thinks so?

SAO

Ah, the tricky part

SAO, thanks for posting.  Critiquing is such a hard thing, and I really feel I got lucky with Michelle.  Rules of thumb...you can ALWAYS say something nice.  This is especially important with early relationships.  Now Michelle and I have been together so long we don't always...we just say what needs to be said.  Kind of like courtship and marriage.  LOL 

A lot of it is in your wording.  If you really think this is a flaw, then you can find a way to ask the questions that need asking.  For example, you could say, "I really liked the emotional pitch at the end of your story, but I have a few questions about ends that need tying up."  Or "This works really well, but what about this?"  Critiquing is not the same as criticizing.  THe problem is a lot of times it sounds like it or the recipient is sensitive and takes it as criticism.

Another good one is, "You've got the bones of this down, but I think if you layered in more motivations it would really come to life."  Then perhaps they'd say, "What do you mean by motivations?" and then you can give details, like "What is your hero's goal in this scene.  What does he really want at this moment?  What's his emotional reaction to what just happened?" That sort of thing.

I hope that helps.  The main objective is to be honest and helpful but not brutal.

Donna

FALLING FOR MR DARK AND DANGEROUS, Romance, August 08, Aus/NZ Sept. 08
THE RANCHER'S RUNAWAY PRINCESS, Romance, January 09
HIRED: THE ITALIAN'S BRIDE, Romance, June 09
http://www.donnaalward.com
http://www.donnaalward.blogspot.com

Revisions

Revisions are the art of writing. Perhaps when an author has written for decades, there may be less or no revisions, maybe in part because they revise themselves or revise internally as they write, but revising is a technical skill. When I took photography, I had these dreamy ideas and took some cool photos, but it wasn't until I did all the rigorous but boring technical precision work that I was really free to be creative. I wanted to do all this cool, offbeat, cutting edge photography, nothing like Ansel Adams. But when I started mastering the art of exposure and mixing my developing chemicals from scratch, I got control over it all.....and the cold mathematical technical side helped me to make things all the more cutting edge and eerie if that makes sense. I know books are a business, but they are also art in words. Technical skill is everything...and revisions are every bit a part of the art as are brushstokes in painting, dodging and burning with light for photographs, etc. Even if a reader doesn't remark on the technical side of a book, it is the technical side that gets through, that makes a story how it is experienced by the reader.

I am a new romance reader, but as a reader, I love the feelings romance evokes --- but an author having a lot of feelings is not what is going to produce that effect in the reader...it's hard, cold, down and dirty technical work. If Donna and Carol are talking about the books I think they are, as a reader, I can say I feel the effect of the revisions they mention because those two books had something a little extra for me.

One Presents author I like very much has a sparse writing style in all her works. I don't even read that line very much but I love her writing style a lot so I buy anything she writes. Now, sparse doesn't mean better because I am also growing fond of another Medical Romance author who is almost the opposite in style. it's just something that this one particular writer does very well. I was visiting her bulletin board and heard her talking about how she just writes, pages and pages and more, and then cuts. The cutting is part of her genius, part of her art.

One of the worst books I read last year wasn't a bad book... parts were brilliant. It just felt like a first draft in bad need of more editing. I just read a horrible book that was so horrible I can't even blog it. (Not a Harlequin book.) It wasn't the content really. I could even tell her intentions would have been cool but her structure and style conflicted so much with the content and her purpose.

I have done a lot of expository academic writing, not fiction, in my life and I can definitely tell you that in that arena, revisions were everything. Some papers took less revisions, but they were revised in my head. I also think that lots of experience revising one's work eventually starts influencing how one writes in the future from concept to first draft.

AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus

Most people don't understand...

Most people don't understand, but writing is a craft. 

I can't tell you the number of times I've had people tell me. "You wrote a book. Why don't you send it to a publisher." I want to say because right now its a pile of manure that needs to be worked into the ground before anything will grow out of it. I don't say that though. 

Laughter is an instant vacation- Milton Berle

Lovin' this conversation....

and I'd like to ask a question.  At what point does a wannabe find a cp?  I am planning on doing the SD pitch, and I would love to have someone to bounce my writing off of.  Especially as I'm beginning, just to make sure I'm headed in a good direction.

However, I'm a newbie, NO experience.  I understand (and desire to have one) what a cp is, but I'm not sure I understand how it works.

Since ya'll were there once, I'm turnin' to you!

Cat

Let us run with ENDURANCE the race that is set before us; looking only unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. Hebrews 12:1a-2b

When I first started

When I first started writing personal essays for a local Down syndrome group's newsletter I would write, rewrite, rewrite again, have my dh read/edit and then I would rewrite yet again. After he had another crack at it I would do the last tweaking revision. But after about 6 months I realized that I was doing one less rewrite. By the end of my first year I was down to one rewrite. I was writing tighter and presenting the material better with the first write. But careful editing and rewriting is important. I know, for myself, I do a lousy job editing my own material, so it is important for me to have another set of eyes looking at my writings.

BTW, Merri, I enjoy reading your reviews, blogs and responses to other's blogs. You have a real ability to breakdown, analyze and explain your thoughts in a clear, concise manner.

Nancy

critique partners etc

Thanks, I enjoy thinking about books.  Smile  I am however the typo queen, I think, especially now that I need a new keyboard.

I did go to sleep wondering if I had said something on this thread quite like I wanted.  I loved both Donna Alward and Carol Townend's writing from the first books of theirs I have read.  What I am noticing in both of them from book to book is a refinement in their writing style.  It's not that previous stories weren't great reads, it's more like their writing increasingly has extra plus, that extra power behind it.  

A critique partner can be very useful.  I wrote a review this week.  Even though it was only a page long, I worked almost all day on it because it was a complex work of suspense.  I rewrote it several times and even so, my husband caught a bad typo and several other things. I was just too close to it that I did not see that I had used the word both in way too many sentence structures.  I do like the blogs and being able to write more spontaneously sometimes. Smile  I am having a bit of performance anxiety about a couple of reviews of great reads I need to write but they were so easy to blog.  

Donna, do you think having a steady critique partner helps with performance anxiety when a writer might be tempted to think and not write?

AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus

Critique Partners

I think a critique partner is useful at any level. I have a few of them. I'm a member of a couple of writer's group. I get good information from all of them.

Laughter is an instant vacation- Milton Berle

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