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Dream... boldly going where no hosty has gone before...

Similar writings

What, nobody here yet?

Well, I was wondering if anyone (especially you, Margaret) has any thoughts about my last post on the old thread. You know - the one about unwittingly writing a sentence and then reading a very similar sentence in an already published book?

Anita mae.

Now that's how you do it!

If you do have things from the old boards you want addressed, do let me know and we'll get it taken care of!

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similar lines

I don't think it's a problem----there's not truely anything completely new anyway and I believe you'd only get in trouble with whole paragraphs, pages, verbatim sentences, etc.  so, a line that's simlilar should not be a problem.....I think.

"You miss one hundred percent of the shots you never take." Wayne Gretzky

Similarities in Writing

Anita Mae, Margaret responded on the old board.  To paraphrase, one line doesn't matter.

Nothing new under the sun

The other thing I thought of, was when I was in a writing class with this editor I really like and respect, he came at it from a Biblical standpoint and talked about how in Ecclesiastes where it talks about there being nothing new under the sun. The reality of what we write is that we aren't going to come up with some great brand-new idea no one's ever thought of. However, the way we approach it is from our perspective, which is uniquely us.

 Sure, you may have something like what someone else says. But on the whole, it's your unique voice that should be shining through. That's why you should never try to write like anyone else, just write how you write. If some of it sounds like someone else, that's okay. As long as you're being you.

 

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Canada??

Anita Mae, I just looked at your profile to see you live in Canada!!  My dad travelled up through BC a few years ago and took some terrific pictures, I hope to get up there some day, it looks sssooooo marvelous.  He came back with this wonderful coat that I LOVE to wear, on the off occasion it dips into the 30's and below here I wear it and am so toasty warm while everyone else is freezing in their apparently not as well made coats.  Y'all know how to do winter gear up there! 

"You miss one hundred percent of the shots you never take." Wayne Gretzky

Go for it!

Anita Mae, Patricia is right. I said it doesn't matter. We are talking a few words. It's a good question that people ask all the time. Don't worry one bit about it.

Margaret

Margaret Daley
Don't Look Back, Love Inspired Suspense, March 2008
Heart of the Family, Love Inspired, December 2007
http://www.margaretdaley.com
http://margaretdaley.blogspot.com

plagiarism

Patricia, Dream and Margaret - thanks for easing my mind. I really didn't want to change it, so I appreciate the positive response. Kiss

Ever since I read Margaret's line in A Courage to Dream, I've been trying to think up ways to change mine. In my original post, I had written that my similar line was from Book 3 - Charley's Saint. But as I've mused over the line these last few days trying to re-write it with the same impact, I've realized it was from my Book 1 in the Prairie Junction series where I first show the reader the intense history that Charley and Henry share. You just don't get the read their full story until Book 3. Sealed

I was listening to CBC radio one time when a musician was being interviewed and he mentioned plagiarism in music. He brought up the example of Gordon Lightfoot's lawsuit against Michael Masser who wrote "The Greatest Love of All" recorded by Whitney Houston in 1986. The lawsuit read:

The transitional section that begins "I decided long ago never to walk in anyone's shadow" of the Masser song has the exact same melody as "I don't know where we went wrong but the feeling's gone" of Lightfoot's song "If You Could Read My Mind".

The lawsuit was "settled out of court while the case was being heard."

Someone on the net wrote: "I compared the scores as printed out by Cakewalk from midi files (that was one of my first computer "music" projects; just finding midis of both took the better part of the day back then some 15 months or so ago), and - even to me whose music knowledge consists of knowing the first three months of beginner's piano - the measures borrowed were obvious."

The same radio show had mentioned that anyone can copy the same 7 notes in a row because there's only so many melodies you can write but after that, you run into trouble.

Anita mae.

I am Canadian!

Lla - yes, I am Canadian!

I love BC! While in the military, we tried getting posted there but the farthest west they sent us was to Alberta - twice! Mind you, as the richest province, it sure helped our budget not to have to pay sales tax while living there, but we wanted the BC experience.

We have been there to visit and our #1 dd lives in Vancouver. I love the mountains, Vancouver Island, and the Pacific. I'm trying to convince dh to drive us out for a vacation this summer but he's digging in his heels. Cry

And, if I want to attend the ACFW conference in MN this Sep, I won't be nagging at him either! (No really, I don't nag.)

I've guessed that you were from the States and found it comforting that your signature line quotes one of our greatest ‘exports'. I lived in AB when Gretzky and the Oilers were in their heyday. Now that was hockey! Yell

When I was  taking my DDC course, my driving instructor (DI) said there's only one person who can see everyone around him at the same time. I smiled as I thought of Jesus. But then the DI added, "And that's Wayne Gretzky." Wink

 Anita mae.

Hockey

WOW!!!  That sounds great!  Gretzky and the Oilers, that was hockey...and I like the story about your driving instructor. 

One thing I miss about being in Michigan is getting to watch hockey on regular tv---I don't have cable right now and they rarely show a game here.  They did air the Winter Classic on New Years Day so I was glued to the screen all afternoon. 

And speaking of Canada, when I lived there, we used to always drive to Windsor to watch the Detroit fireworks, the view was better from CA, and so was the safety factor. 

 

I'm glad you like the quote I picked, I also think it applies to so much --- not just hockey....

"You miss one hundred percent of the shots you never take." Wayne Gretzky

More hockey

Are you a transplanted Cdn or were you a visiting American?

My #2 ds is getting interested in watching hockey. He's been trying to take over the TV for Hockey Night in Canada every Sat night. It's strange because we don't  usually watch HNIC but my biological father who I lived with for one year did - loudly! He now lives in Michigan.

Do you think it's the genes?

 

Hockey and Canada

Visiting American....we spent several of my young years up between Windsor and SE Michigan, I was born in TN, but we moved when I was a baby and then back up north again to MI for part of high school.  Even when we moved back to TN, my middle school history teacher here in TN was from Canada.  I remember watching Hockey Night  while I was in Michigan and we'd of course pick up Canadian channels!! 

I think it's genetic....My dad played pond hockey, my parents second date was a Red Wings game, my nephew played until he joined the US Army and had a training accident that messed up his leg too badly to play again.  If I have sons, they will play hockey (people around here like basketball, I just don't get that at all). 

I got so excited when I found out the guy in charge of internships for my department is a huge hockey fan from the days of Gordie Howe!!  I had told him I was interested in pursuing an internship and/or career with one of the hockey teams in their media/community relations departments. 

"You miss one hundred percent of the shots you never take." Wayne Gretzky

Help

For this person who isn't computer savvy. How do you get the little quotes at the bottom of your post? I'm not sure how to make things work around here. Undecided

Merrillee 

Merrillee Whren
Four Little Blessings, February 2008
With God all things are possible. Matt. 19:26

quotes

In your "Profile" it's the "signiture" part---just type in whatever you want there. 

"You miss one hundred percent of the shots you never take." Wayne Gretzky

Thanks Ila!

Merrillee, it's also where you can add a picture, add your bio, and do all sorts of other fun things. Smile

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Vancouver

Anita Mae, I loved Vancouver when I visited a couple of years ago. Beautiful city. I hope you can come to ACFW.

Margaret

Margaret Daley
Don't Look Back, Love Inspired Suspense, March 2008
Heart of the Family, Love Inspired, December 2007
http://www.margaretdaley.com
http://margaretdaley.blogspot.com

Teaching and Louisiana

Well, I've been working as a tutor and absolutely LOVE it, in fact, I've talked with the education department and decided that while I'm getting my MA in English, I'll take the classes to be licensed to teach English and History at the secondary level.  It'll be a good plan B. 

Louisiana---one of my friend's at church is from Northern Louisiana and I have another "friend" on the Corgi-List that also lives in Notherner Louisiana----small world!  And pretty close to where I am!

"You miss one hundred percent of the shots you never take." Wayne Gretzky

new here

Hi, I've read the comments here, but this is the first time I've ever written something.  Everyone seems so welcoming and helpful, so I thought I would be brave and ask a question.  How do you take a dream of becoming a writer, and actually start writing?  I have lots of stories running around in my head, but I am unsure where to begin on putting them on paper.  Does anyone have any advice? 

Welcome AmyMichele!

The only advice I can give you is to begin. Just write. And write. And write some more. See where it leads you.

And of course, take the time to chat with other writers (like the folks you meet here) and talk to them. Learn from them. Read books. Lots of books. And some books on writing. Join a writer's group if there's one near you.

But mostly, for now, just write. Smile

 

 

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Vancouver

Hey Margaret - are you sure you meant Vancouver and not Victoria?  My dd loves Vancouver but she doesn't drive and likes everything within walking distance. I did enjoy Stanley Park but didn't get a chance to cross that long swinging bridge.

I find Vancouver crowded but I love Victoria on the island! Smile  I've seen the beautiful Butchart Hanging Gardens, and had butterflies land on my head at Butterfly World.  And I loved walking along Pacific Rim National Park finding sand dollars. I've only been there twice and would like to experience it at least once more.

But the ACFW conf is calling me.... and Minneapolis is only 3 hrs from my mom. I hope to meet you there, too.

 

Advice

Amy Michele --

Dream had some good advice.  I would add my own  'secret recipe' -- learn to focus your writing.  I think because I started out writing for magazines I am a firm believer that you can hit a target better when you actually aim for one.  Pick a market (like Love Inspired Historicals) and learn all you can about that target -- read other books in the line, read the guidelines, take advantage of things like Melissa posting here on what kind of timeframes she's looking for and then go to work.  I used Love Inspired Historicals as an example because it is also better to target a line that is actively, hungry for new writers.  The lines that have been around longer are still a possibility, but it's easier to get a hearing (in my opinion) with lines that have more room because they don't already have a full roster of writers.

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

Love Victoria

Anita Mae --

I was in Victoria for about a day once and fell in love with the city.  I promised myself I would go back for a longer visit.  I saw the Butchart Gardens and thought they were stunning. 

Janet

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

High Tea at the Empress

Janet - one of my dreams is to attend 'high tea' at the Empress Hotel in Victoria. While I was there, I stood on the steps and looked in but the grandeur of the place scared me off. I was dressed in t-shirt, jeans and runners and I believe they have a strict dress code. But I was taking a walk along the 2 mile seawall from downtown to the navy base of Esquimalt on the hill. But just looking in the door is keeping the dream alive.

I could have tea in the conservatory of the Governor General's Government House here in Regina or downtown in the Saskatchewan Inn where the many chandoliers are like 5 feet square but it just wouldn't be The Empress - you know?

High Tea

Anita Mae --

I can just picture you having 'high tea' there.  What a great dream to have.  I do think I heard that they do have a dress code -- but if you were prepared what a lovely thing to do.

Regina -- isn't that the place that has the historic bootleg tunnels?  I'd like to see them sometime -- I go to Montana fairly frequently and have an aunt in Havre so it's not too far from me when I'm in those stomping grounds.

Janet

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

Thanks for the advice

Dream and Janet thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions.  Janet, I read "Shepards Abiding in Dry Creek" and loved it.  I look forward to reading more of your work.  I have been reading  the Love Inspired and Suspense lines. Both of these lines are the type of books I am interested in learning how to write.  For now, I have been writing down my ideas, and my character's back story. From reading the boards here I have really learned a great deal on developing characters.  Now i need to learn how to just start writing their story.   

Welcome

Welcome, Amy Michele. I'm so glad you are delurking (sounds like a Star Trek story). Janet and Dream have great advice. Love Inspired Suspense is also looking for new authors, too. Several have been bought lately. Also you might want to connect with other writers in your area and American Christian Fiction Writers is a national organization that is online. Also Romance Writers of America is a national organization with a lot of local chapters. Both are a wonderful support system and a great place to get help and advice (along with these boards). So if you have questions, ask away and we will try to help.

Margaret

Margaret Daley
Don't Look Back, Love Inspired Suspense, March 2008
Heart of the Family, Love Inspired, December 2007
http://www.margaretdaley.com
http://margaretdaley.blogspot.com

Starting out --

Amy Michele --

Sounds like you have a good plan to start. Glad you liked "Shepards Abiding in Dry Creek."  I personally love Christmas stories and write (and read) as many as I can.

Janet

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

Bootleg Tunnels

Janet - you're pretty close. The tunnels are actually a 45 min drive west of Regina in Moose Jaw, which makes them just 2 hrs from our farm.

We've been in the tunnels and they are so steeped in history. Actors dressed in period costume guide you through the tunnels where Al Capone was rumoured to have hidden out at some point. My ds#2 got scared when the 'gangster' whipped out his tommygun at us, but the rest of us enjoyed the performance. So realistic. The animatronic characters were hard to differentiate from real people if you just glanced at them working.

Hopefully  this summer we can go back and tour the other tunnels where the Chinese migrant workers lived. All I know about them is the title - Passage to Fortune.

For history buffs intent on a great background, it's hard to beat the tunnels. You can read more if you check the website for: tunnels of moose jaw dot com (all one word and symbol for at)

So I guess you're going back to Montana to check out Dry Creek, eh?Smile

 

Cool

Anita Mae -- those are the tunnels.  I'd love to see them. Thanks for the vivid description.

I have my parents and my sister's family in Montana so I go visit as often as I can (my parent's are getting up there and I like to see how they are doing).  I do get some ideas for Dry Creek through my visits though -- lots of inspiration.

Good to know we are practically neighbors!Cool

Janet

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

High Tea at the Empress

I'm there too! Oh, I'd love to do that. Smile

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High Tea

Yeah, it's too bad the ACFW doesn't gather outside the US ... but then it wouldn't be the ACFW, right? Laughing

Welcome

Amy Michele,

Welcome. You've gotten some good advice about what to do with those stories running around in your head. Best wishes for your writing.

Merrillee 

Merrillee Whren
Four Little Blessings, February 2008
With God all things are possible. Matt. 19:26

Welcome, AmyMichelle!

AmyMichelle,  I think my comment piggybacks on the one about focusing your writing.  (I can't remember who said it.)

Consider getting to the novel of your dreams in steps.  Finding outlets for articles or short stories is a good way to get your feet wet, get useful feedback, and build your confidence.  That has worked for me.

Canada

Hi AmyMichelle!

I love reading all of the posts about Canada! I'm a born and raised Alberta girl but I hate hockey. Hockey and golf are the 2 sports that I just don't get. I'm definately in the minority up here! I'm desperately hoping that my little boy doesn't fall in love with it.

Anita Mae - I'm jelous that you've seen the tunnels. I've been trying to convince dh we need to go see them for the last few years. He's not a real history buff I'm working on him!

Today I stop being a Christian and start being Christ!

Question about word count!

I'm sure this has been addressed a gazillion times, but I'm getting conflicting answers. For word count on Steeple Hill Love Inspired do they use the 250 word per page formula or do they use the actual computer word count?  Anyone who knows please answer.

Word count

Tamelia --

You'll want to use the actual computer word count.

Janet 

 

 

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

Thanks Janet! I'll keep

Thanks Janet! I'll keep that in mind. Innocent

Now that means I've got many more pages to write to get to the 55,000 or so mark. LOL. 

word count

Word count (55,000-60,000).

I usually have around a certain number of pages to get that many words. 260-280 pages for me but with someone else it will be different. Over a course of several books you get a feel for what you need pagewise.

Margaret

Margaret Daley
Don't Look Back, Love Inspired Suspense, March 2008
Heart of the Family, Love Inspired, December 2007
http://www.margaretdaley.com
http://margaretdaley.blogspot.com

Website

Is there anyway to keep the forum on your screen when you are posting a comment besides having two eHar pages open? I really dislike how we lose the forum when you go to the comment screen because I always scroll back as I'm commenting.

 Beckie

Today I stop being a Christian and start being Christ!

Writing comments

Hey Beckie,

For the new comment, I used to write in MS Word then cut and paste, or in a new window, but now that I've updated to Explorer 7, I just open a new tab. One is for the comments I'm reading, and the tab beside it is for the new one I'm writing.

BTW - how's your weather? Buses weren't running yesterday as the temp was -51c/-56.8F.  Are you sending another chinook our way soon?

 

Welcome Amymichele!

Welcome Amy Michelle!

 Great to have you here. Glad you're pursuing writing. Let us know how it's going.

 Cheryl Wyatt

 

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The weather

Anita Mae - I just tried and my computer won't let me do two pages that are different for this site. Oh well, I guess it's not the worst thing.

Chinook - we'd have to have one! We've warmed up to -35C! The wind chill is brutal though. I walked 4 blocks on Tuesday and frost bit my face. We've been boosting our cars, etc. You know the drill SmileYou know the weather is bad when schools in Edmonton are closed! Did you get any snow? We got quite a bit and the wind keeps redistributing it so I get to keep shovelling the same stuff! All in all I am kind of enjoying the blizzard. It's been so long since we've had such a good one!

Take care and keep warm!

Beckie

Today I stop being a Christian and start being Christ!

Cold--burr!!

And here I was looking out at a few snowflakes and wondering what the weather was doing (around freezing) and you all are talking about minus degree weather. I shivered reading your posts, Anite Mae and Beckie.

Have I told you all I don't like cold weather?

Margaret

Margaret Daley
Don't Look Back, Love Inspired Suspense, March 2008
Heart of the Family, Love Inspired, December 2007
http://www.margaretdaley.com
http://margaretdaley.blogspot.com

Wow that's cold

Beckie --

I grew up in Montana so I have some idea of what you speak -- It's been close to 20 below there for a while recently (my sister and parents are still there).  But 35 below -- now that's getting cold cold!!! I like that kind of weather, too, if I can stay inside by the fireLaughing

Janet

 

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

After reading the weather

After reading the weather reports I just wanted to say I'm proud to live in LA (Lower Alabama).

Everyday highs in the 60's.Cool

HollyBelle

26104/45000

Sense of Adventure

The cold isn't too bad after about the 3rd day. You just kind of get used to it. Besides, there is nothing better in the world than coming in feeling frozen solid and having hot cocoa with marshmallows!

I might get dh to take a picture of me in my outside winter gear and post it for my profile.

 

Today I stop being a Christian and start being Christ!

Yes!

Beckie -- I'd love to see you in your snow gear -- and hot chocolate sounds good (even if I'm in Southern California where it's barely jacket weather).

Janet 

 

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

Cold Weather

I don't like the cold either! But I'm thankful to have a nice warm house!

We used to raise goats and I remember 2 yrs ago, it went down to -50 and the mamas were dropping their kids all over. We'd do a barn check every couple hrs and bring in a couple frozen ones. If you'd come to my house that Jan, I had 2 playpens set up in my foyer/dining room area with a total of 11 babies. And they all needed to be bottle fed! Once they got stronger, we'd take them to the barn. I remember midnight, -40, walking down to the barn with an armful of babies wrapped in towels. After trying to get them to suck off their mamas - at least the mamas that were accepting their babies - I'd bring them back to the house. Finally get to bed around 2:30 or so and then have to go back out to check for more babies. We don't have goats anymore.

 

Cold weather

I'm glad I live in Florida. I do live in north Florida, so we get a very mild, short winter. We occasionally get a freeze, but since we live near the beach, our weather is always warmer at night than the inland areas. I still have flowers blooming in my yard. They have somehow managed to survive the few hours of freezing temps we have had this winter. When they give a freeze warning here, they do it in hours.

Janet, I lived in Montana when I was a kid. We lived in Billings and Great Falls, but I was too little to remember Great Falls. I also lived in South Dakota. So I know cold. The coldest weather I've ever experienced was in Bismark, North Dakota. It was 50 degrees BELOW zero without any wind chill. Now that is cold.

My daughter and her husband just moved to Chicago, and they are having to deal with all kinds of cold and snow this winter.

Merrillee 

Merrillee Whren
Four Little Blessings, February 2008
With God all things are possible. Matt. 19:26

Burrr

Merilee --

Yes, the Dakotas are the 'king of cold' for the states, i believe.  I don't think I've ever been in 50 below.  Maybe close, but that's coooold.

The funny thing with me and winter though is that. even though I moved to So Cal to escape the winters, my Montana sister pointed out to me after about 8 published books that I had set every one of them in the winter time in Montana. LOL  I don't know if it was therapy or nostalgia or just not being able to move away completely. Laughing 

Janet

Janet Tronstad
www.JanetTronstad.com
Dry Creek Sweethearts now on shelves
A Heart for the Dropped Stitches coming in July 2008
Two more contemporary Dry Creek and a historical Dry Creek coming in 2008

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