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American vs. Superromance: What's The Difference?
Are you a writer having difficulty targeting between these two lines? Not sure where your manuscript fits in the gray areas?
Join us for the next two weeks as we spend time with the two editors who know the lines best, Kathleen Scheibling of Harlequin American and Wanda Ottewell of Harlequin Superromance. Read the interviews and submit your questions because during week 1, Kathleen will be dropping in and in Week 2, Wanda will be by as well!
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Post your thoughts and questions here and we'll learn together!







Hello Kathleen.
Hello Kathleen. So glad you took time from your busy schedule to talk with us. My first question would be:
You stated in your interview: "American Romances are definitely set on the sunny side of the street!". Do you have any problems with the H/h ending up in a serious / possibly life threatening situation such as an accident or natural disaster or being trapped?
Thanks so much.
Small towns...big romances
http://www.JenniferFaye.com
I am not a writer....
But, I am curious....what is "American" or "superromance"
Terri
Got Books?
Disasters happen
Our characters can definitely find themselves in disasterous or even life threatening situations. As a matter of fact, we're publishing a book in September about two people who survive a plane crash--and have to walk out of the west Texas desert, back to civilization. How's that for disasterous?
Bad things can certainly happen to our characters--as long as everything works out in the end!
Thanks
You've jarred my memory and I believe I heard about that story and it's by Linda Warren. She's a marvelous writer (I love her books) and she's a very nice lady.
Next question: do any of these items weigh into your consideration of a ms:
contest wins?
writer's website? do you even look the sites?
previously being epub'd?
Small towns...big romances
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Thank you so much for doing
Thank you so much for doing this thread. It took me a while to find the interview as when I clicked ont he link above, it took me to a page of choices. Anyway, I wnated to say thank you. I read all three of the home and hearth lines. I love the Harlequin American books and Michele Dunaway is a favorite.
Do you anticipate the number of American books released each month to increase? Thank you so much for doing this, and I can't wait to read all of the questions and answers.
new writers
When I receive submissions, I do look with interest to see what contests the manuscript might have won. I take many things into account when looking at a new proposal--if the cover letter is clear and concise and free of typos, if the material is indeed targetted toward the right place (we don't publish cookbooks! do your research!) etc.
But the most important element of any submission is the writing itself. Is the story compelling? Is it well written? Do I want to keep reading?
Hi Terri - American is
Hi Terri - American is referring to the Harlequin American brand of books and Superromance is referring to the Super Romance brand of books. The three different lines, Harlequin American, Harlequin SuperRomance and Silhouette Special Edition bookd are all varried in length, covers, etc., but they are all home and hearth type of books.
As an avid reader, like you, I enjoy reading romances. As an aspiring author, I have received R's from both American and SuperRomance. I love the home and hearth type of book and have a hart time trying to figue out which line my voice fits.
The lovely editors are doing this thread to explain the differences between the lines so that we can submit our ms's to the correct line and get a feel for exactly what they want for the lines.
Hope this helps!
Great information
If a writer has been previously rejected by HAR, does that impact their chances of getting a future ms published via HAR?
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and more
I'm new to posting here so I'm learning as I go. I think I let that last post go too quickly...
No, I don't look at author's web sites when I am considering their work for publication. No time for that! Sometimes I check in on the sites of the authors I already work with--maybe Friday afternoon when I'm getting sluggish and feel like surfing a bit. It's interesting to see who is doing what kinds of promotions for their books.
We don't anticipate the number of American Romances we publish in a month to change. We're very happy at 4 books / month!
Thank you!
Thank you, again, this will be a wonderful resource!
My question is; when you talk about having extended family in the story, do you desire to have POV from any of those as well? Vs. POV from mainly the heroine and hero?
Thank you.
Maureen
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Another question
As you can tell, I'm excited about the possibility of becoming a Harlequin author, more specifically writing for HAR. So please don't mind my questions, but this is such a terrific opportunity I couldn't pass it up.
Could you please tell us what specific information you are interested in seeing in a query?
Small towns...big romances
http://www.JenniferFaye.com
point of view
Hi again,
We do have strong secondary characters making up the family and / or community in American Romances, and yes, they often do have their own POV. I'd say only one or maybe two other characters have a POV apart from the H/H -- any more would be too much and confusing, especially for our word length.
Points of view apart from the H/H must be relevant to the story though. In many books, we don't need the POV of the secondary characters--their actions and dialogue clearly show what they are thinking.
Regarding submissions: you can indeed submit again to AR even if a previous submission was rejected. Just make sure any problems with the story, characters, etc. from the previous submission are addressed in future ones. You can learn a lot from a rejection letter.
queries
In queries, I want to see the conflict of the story right away. That is, what is it keeping the hero and heroine apart? These are romances, and we know they're going to end up together...but there should be some mystery as to how that's going to happen! If someone is afraid to get serious in a relationship because they've been burned before--this is not strong conflict. If a woman is wary of getting into a relationship because she's not sure her young child will adjust to the situation--that's an example of a realistic conflict.
For ARs, I also look at the appeal of the setting, the secondary characters (that's the family and community) and always, always, the quality of the writing in general.
New to the process
Could you briefly tell us about the process our sub'd partials take after you receive them? I've heard on the boards about submissions being sent out to be read so the editors can get a readers impression, is that something your office does?
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Response times
For those of us with sub's already sub'd and those preparing to sub, could you please tell us approx. what the current response times are for: query? partial? full?
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Running out of time
I'm guessing that we'll soon be out of time so I'm going to post my last few questions.
What are the most common mistakes you see in sub's? And what are your pet peeves?
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Pitches/Contests
Are you planning to do another eharlequin editor pitch in the near future? Or perhaps conducting a HAR contest?
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Themes / Storylines
Are there any specific themes/storylines you are looking for in upcoming submissions for a series such as cowboys, babies, weddings, etc.?
Small towns...big romances
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Rejection
Last but not least.
If a story is rejected but accompanied by a detailed letter, can you make the changes and resub? Or does the letter have to specifically invite you to resub your story?
Small towns...big romances
http://www.JenniferFaye.com
Thanks
I just found this wonderful thread and had to say thank you to Kathleen for all the great information and also to Jennifer for asking all those great questions! HAR is my favorite line and the one that I'm targeting as an aspiring author. All of the information is very helpful - thanks again for doing this!
Patty
Wow Jennifer!
LOL, girl, next time I write an interview sheet, I'm coming to you!
Holding breath to see if Kathleen can answer them all. :)
Dee
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
Anytime Dee
LOL. I hope I didn't overwhelm Kathleen but this was a fabulous opportunity to get info directly from the source. And when I'm attempting to become an HAR author, how could I pass up this opportunity? *G*
Small towns...big romances
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Missed it!
I had to go to town and pick up baby's momma and missed the Q&A! Hope she can still answer these Jennifer. Some are the same one's I wanted to ask. Especially the time frame/sequence of events question for subs.
My other question: If a ms is rejected by one genre but with good pointers to improve it, can it be fixed up and sub'ed to another genre? (ex: r'd by SSE, fixed and sub'ed to HAR) Or is this another no-no?
Thanks for being here, Kathleen, even if many of us weren't able to join you. Jennifer did a bang up job covering a lot of the 'gray' areas for us with her questions.
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Oh, Fixed the Interview Link
I'm not sure what happened exactly except that the system decided to fix something that didn't need breaking. :) (grrrr)
Should be all fixed...again.
Just let me know if it changes again!
Dee
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
Kathleen
Oh, I hope she comes back as well. I read the interview and found it really interesting.
I write for Romance, which I was surprised wasn't listed as a "home and hearth" line. I guess I can understand that, though I'm not sure then where Romance would fit.
I'd be interested in hearing more about Supers as well. They are two lines I enjoy reading a lot.
Cheers,
Donna
THE SOLDIER'S HOMECOMING, Romance, March 08, Aus/NZ April 08
FALLING FOR MR DARK AND DANGEROUS, Romance, August 08
THE RANCHER'S RUNAWAY PRINCESS, Romance, January 09
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Thank you Kathleen!
I really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to answer my questions. They were very informative and I'll keep them in mind as I pursue getting published by HAR.
Have a great evening!
Small towns...big romances
http://www.JenniferFaye.com
More info
Good morning! The end of my Monday kind of fell apart--the meetings took over. So I'll take this opportunity to finish up some of those questions from yesterday.
Here is more info on the process of a slush submission to the office. As soon as we receive a partial or a full manuscript, it is logged by our staff, then sent to a freelance reader, who does "coverage." This means he reads the submission and gives us a 2-3 page report. This is a standard practice for many publishing companies who receive large volumes of material--we simply could not read all of it without some sort of assistance.
At this point, materials are given back to the senior editor, who divides up the work between the other editors.
I confess we are woefully behind in responding to our slush. We try to aim for a 3 month turnaround, but sometimes the work can really get away from you. I'm spending the next few days attacking that pile, out of sheer guilt for keeping people waiting so long...
and more
I'm trying to answer everything--Jennifer, did you have those questions stacked up waiting for me?
Usually we don't want to see resubmissions unless we have specifically requested them. And if we are open to seeing a manuscript again, after it has undergone revisions, we will say so in the letter.
If you have submitted to another series, such as SSE, it is fine to resubmit the manuscript to another line, providing the manuscript is suitable for that line. I wouldn't submit the same manuscript to Superromance as I would to SSE without making changes. That's why it's important to know the differences between the lines--and the best way of understanding those differences is reading the books. You have to know the lines you're targetting, and know them well.
Submitting
Hi,
When we initially submit do you require a query letter and synopsis OR a query letter, partial and synopsis? Everywhere seems to be different... and it would be great to know what is standard for Super Romance too :)
Thanks,
Kendra
Off the top of my head
did you have those questions stacked up waiting for me?
LOL. No, actually those were just the questions I came up with off the top of my head since I didn't know you would be taking questions on Monday. Now see if I had some notice just think of all the questions I could have thought up.
Seriously, thanks for taking the time to answer them.
Jennifer
Small towns...big romances
http://www.JenniferFaye.com
WOW
This thread has been a font of information!! Clarification is always good!
Thanks to Kathleen for sharing the information!
Ronda
submitting
Ah, the submission questions. I'm surprised this didn't come up sooner! I have recently decided to bypass the query letter. People should go ahead and send in their first three chapters, along with a synopsis and a cover letter outlining their qualifications. Do not send in a full manuscript unless it is requested.
I know another big question is about the length of a synopsis. The length will vary--but the answer is, as long as it takes to tell us the major plot points of the story. A synopsis is not for describing every little part of your manuscript--it's for hitting the essentials only. If your synopsis is over 10 pages, you're putting in too much unnecessary detail.
People say it's harder to write short than it is to write long. I feel your pain--but still, synopsis writing skills are very important. I work with authors who have had many books published and still find writing a synopsis to be the most unsavory part of coming up with a new proposal! But when you're trying to sell, a lot of importance is put on that synopsis.
Hope that helps.
submissions
Kathleen,
In regards to your comments about submission, if someone did just send a query and synopsis do you automatically request a partial like Mill and Boons does?
The reason I'm asking is because I just sent in a query a few weeks ago.
Should I be polishing my first three chapters?
Thanks
Sandy
Requests & Slush Piles
Do requested partials from contests or pitches follow any different path through the editorial office than say a cold submission? Or do they both end up in the slush pile?
Jennifer
Small towns...big romances
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editor's pitch
Hey Kathleen, when the last AR editor's pitch ended, Rae advised everyone who didn't get picked to submit through normal channels.
Was she just being nice, or is there a chance for those works that didn't pass muster the first time?
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the slush pile
Hi all,
Regarding queries, no, we don't just automatically request the partial. Sometimes it's clear that the book isn't going to work for us. But the reason I think we can by-pass the query stage at this point is that so many people just send in a partial, it hardly seems fair for someone to wait for a response to their query, then a response to their partial.
BTW, not every partial gets sent out for a read--our Editorial Assistant goes through them first and only sends out the ones that look suitable for AR.
Basically, yes, all submissions, including unsolicited ones, go through the same process. But manuscripts or partials that I have requested at conferences, or from a contest I've judged, or from an editors pitch, I look out for in the pile. For me, those submissions get put on top because I did ask for them.
Clarification
It was my understanding that a two page ds synopsis was to accompany a query and that up to ten pages ds synopsis was to accompany the partial/full submissions. Has that changed now that you are skipping over the query stage and accepting unsolicited partials?
Small towns...big romances
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Thank you Kathleen for the
Thank you Kathleen for the answers. Very helpful and insightful.
Moving on to Supers!
Wow! I just read Wanda Ottewell's interview, and it's VERY informative!! As someone who's polishing a ms in hopes of getting it to Supers, I really appreciate the detail and examples Wanda gave.
Are we taking questions? If so, how stringent is the word count for Supers? Will you look at a ms that's over WC? For example, is a 70K ms acceptable? Or is it on a case by case basis?
Also, what do you want to see for a general, unagented submission? I see Americans aren't asking for queries any more. What do you want to see for Supers? Synopsis and first three chapters? Or are you still requesting queries first?
Thanks much!!
JodieG
Prepublished and workin' to change that!
A winner of the Big Finish 2 Contest, March 2008!
Yup, Taking Questions for Supers Editor!
Wanda will be by on Thurs to answer them, so we need to make it worth her while. :)
Dee
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
Welcome, Wanda!
Just popping in to read Wanda's interview and to say welcome!
As to questions... Hmmm..... I'll be back. <G>
Okay, read the interview (GREAT!) and loved it. Wanda, you actually answered my question in the interview regarding POVs and whether Supers were moving toward more h/h only POVs. I've found my books to be a mix and wondered about it. My other question is about cover art. Supers have altered their cover art several times over the last couple years. Are there any more changes in the way the covers will be depicted in the near future? Are there any stats to indicate which covers sell better than others? (ie landscapes on the front versus couples, couples embracing versus sitting separately etc?)
Kay
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Welcome Wanda!
The interview was great. I will be thinking of some other questions to ask for Thursday <G>.
I think after reviewing Kathleen's interview and yours it has helped to ensure me that my current WIP is probably better suited for supers.
Thank you for all the wonderful information so far.
Maureen
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http://www.myspace.com/mbonatch
Thank you Wanda for this
Thank you Wanda for this opportunity to ask questions and to help define what Super's need.
I was chosen to pitch to you and ultimately was rejected on a requested partial. I deleted the old ms, and using your suggestions, I have written a new ms. The names and town are the same but everything written is different, taking the premise in the manner you suggested, and I believe some others are also. So in general, if someone submits a ms with the same character names, but a different ms, do you want us to explain the circumstance regarding the new ms? I know many people will rewrite ms's based on comments from editors. Do you think that is a good idea, or would you like for people to submit something new?
Thank you so much for taking the time from your busy schedule to answer our questions.
thanks wanda
Hello, Wanda! Thank you so much for taking time to answer questions.
I really enjoy the realistic sub-plots in the Superromance line. Can you say on average how many sub-plots seem to work best in a superromance?
Also, my observation has been that Superromance tend to be on the "sweet" side sexually. I know this isn't the Blaze line, but would sexual description or reaction between hero and heroine be acceptable?
Hi Wanda,
Just dropped by to say hello! Great interview. I especially liked "the grand gesture" and the fact that the reader should walk away with the feeling that love makes us strong enough to confront anything that stands in our way. Thanks!
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Hi Wanda! Thanks for
Hi Wanda!
Thanks for taking time out of a Super busy schedule to chat with us! This is by far my favorite line to read...
Can you give an estimate on wait times for partial submissions? Does it differ for requested versus slush pile? Full submissions?
What are the most common mistakes new authors make along the route to publication?
Biggest No-No in your opinion?
Do you look at pre-pubbed authors' websites? Do you recommend they have one?
I'll scoot now...others will have more questions, and I can learn from them!!
Thanks, again!
Ronda
Hi Wanda!
Thanks for a great interview...both you and Kathleen offered such great details on each of your lines and what you're looking for!
A couple of questions...
Are there any plans to expand the SuperRomance line --- perhaps to eight releases a month? (One can only hope!)
I am assuming you are based in the Harlequin office in Canada ---- if an editor at the NYC office has a manuscript that they feel is better suited to SuperRomance (as in a Special Edition submission that has a 'super' voice/bigger story) do they foward the manuscript to you? What if the author, during the subsequent writing that she had continued with since the original submission, now feels the story is better suited for SuperRomance should she contact the editor?
Thanks for your time!
Christyne Butler
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Good morning, all!
Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone! It's always good to be here. I see you have questions for me already (very efficient of you)...I've had coffee, so I should be (mostly) coherent
.
Jodie, you asked about how strict we are with word count. We try not to exceed the upper limit as much as possible. The primary reason is that the printed book for an over-limit story has tiny type with little or no white space (VERY hard on the eyes). Worse, the type gets crowded to the edges of the page and readers must break the spine to read the book. Personally, I LOATHE breaking the spine on my books (eventually the pages fall out!
).
If your story is slightly over the limit (say, 5,000 words), it's not something to worry about too much before submitting. If we feel the story is right for the line, we can focus on trimming it to size during the revision process. You'd be surprised how cutting repetition alone can slim a manuscript to fit that little black dress of 60,000 - 65,000 words.
And because I can't leave the topic of word count without repeating this, I remind everyone that we use computer count (your word processing program's word count) as our guide. The cast-off method (calculating 250 words per page) proved to be highly inconsistent. So while there are variations in counting from program to program, the computer method is much more consistent.
Thank you, Wanda!
I appreciate the answer, and I look forward to reading the rest of your replies to the great questions everyone else asked!
**jodie sits back, takes a sip of hot chocolate, and waits**
JodieG
Prepublished and workin' to change that!
A winner of the Big Finish 2 Contest, March 2008!
Oops...forgot a question
Guess that move drops my coherence comment out the window!
Jodie, we request partial manuscripts--first three chapters and synopsis. This gives us a sense of your writing as well as story details.
Kay, good to see you here! For the moment we're maintaining the current art style with our covers. Readers seem to be responding well to seeing a connection between the characters. We don't have any solid stats yet, but readers seem to like having the hero and heroine together as well as a family if it's appropriate. IMHO, I suspect readers like to visual proof of the romance on their covers. After all, that's why we read these books, right?
Maureen, glad the interview helped!