Location Station
Maybe you've set your novel in London, England, but you've never been east of the Mississippi.
Or maybe you want to learn facts about a state's tourist attractions, or what the countryside looks like in a certain Canadian province.
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Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."

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How do you guys pick your location?
Bell Pulls/the color of a room.
I just got chastised in a critique for 2 items I just read in a Harlequin Historical.
1. I used a bell pull in 1818 and after researching some more found they weren't widely used until Victorian times. (The HH was set in 1814.)
2. I was told I could not call a room the Yellow Room because the linens/curtains were yellow-the wallcovering needs to be yellow. (In the HH the room was called a certain color because the curtains/coverlet were a certain color.)
I am not trying to be anal; I want to make sure I have my facts straight.
Angel
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Aidensmommy...
I haven't published yet so you might want to see what someone else also says. I usually write about locations I've been to or where I know someone who can give me details.
I think the story should determine the location. Is there anything about the location that enhances the story? I just completed a novel that's located in Ghana, West Africa. Change the names and the cities and you could have it anywhere in the world, but there are some details that would have to change, and for me those things enhance my story. There's some sexiness about what's happening because it's happening in Accra, Ghana.
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one of the reasons I loved
one of the reasons I loved Betty Neels books were the descriptions of the towns, home, etc in parts of the world I will never be able to visit. Travel magazine pictures are a great way to identify small details.
Places I've been..
I spent a month in Scotland several years ago so one of my stories takes place there, modern Scotland. Another story I wrote takes place in Alberta, Canada. I got so interested in the area I drove up there (three days) spent four days exploring and drove home. The border guard couldn't understand why I wanted to visit Alberta in October. I also do a lot of internet searches.
But mostly my stories take place right here at home. I've invented a fictitious valley situated where I live so I can have amenities like a transit system and physical features needed for the story. Lake Tahoe and Carson City are close by so readers have something to identify with. And I can answer questions about this area if anyone is interested.
I'd love to have the means to travel just to study a location for a story. Wouldn't that be fun? Maybe someday.
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Travelling
I am lucky enough to have travelled a little, and so far I stick with places I know. But I hear you on that. I've been thinking about doing some more ... maybe after I get my first book deal :-)
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Location, location, location
There are certain things in a story that help me in choosing a location. Everything from the background of the person or persons, the activity taking place(some of my stories involve things specific to a location or thing in a location)... There are different variables for me, and since i have lived in a number of different places, and currently travel quite extensively i have something of a feel for certain areas. Traveling the way i do allows me to research locales fairly easily - as long as they are in the US i should add.
When i do have to move my stories to a place i have never been, i start my Internet searches of wherever the story is moving to. Oh, and for stories of local flavor i look to travel blogs of people who have been there or live there.
Hope this helps, m
Locations
I use locations I've been to, although the memory of some areas has started to fade and I have to keep digging out old photos and research online!
I live in Scotland, so it's quite easy to take the car up to the Highlands (still a good 3-4 hours to the 'right' place). I also visited Gloucestershire and Bristol while I lived in South Wales. And of course a couple of years ago I convinced my now DH to go on a holiday in Normandy - because I wanted to do some on-site roaming round.
Think I feel more comfortable describing areas I've been to. But the time may come when I have to rely on online research and books. Hope I'll get it right...
Steph
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Research
I've recently read two books where the authors have not done their homework. One just made me laugh, leaving the Mediterranean Sea via the Straights of Gibraltar usually puts you on the Atlantic Ocean rather than the Pacific as the heroine stated. Presumably the hero was after her body and not her brains.
The other was a book by an author I enjoy and there was lots of detail about the area where I live which was just plain wrong and could have been fixed by probably less than an hour on the internet. So out of respect for the reader surely things should be right or left out!
Sounds about right, Peony
Can't say details don't get away from us all, but big ones and multiple ones really should be checked out. :)
Dee
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
Manhattan
I've researched manhattan quite a bit for my ms, but was wanting to set my heroine in a small older house outside of manhattan, even though she will have to commute to manhattan daily. can someone give me an idea of a suburb where that would be best set in? or shall i move the poor darling back into an apartment?
carrie
Ahh.. Locations. Mostly I
Ahh.. Locations. Mostly I let my characters tell me where they want to go and I look up the places for interesting tidbits... and looking deeper into them, I usually find out of the way places for them to go.
One of the first books I wrote for another publisher was Majestic Lion. They wanted a Time Travel barbarian romance. So I actually took my leading lady from Modern Day Colorado back to the winter of 1577 in Mongolia. *evil grin* I love doing research and if I'm doing Time Travel, I look for the blank spots in history... and sort of fill in the blank.
It also helps to have a middle ages recreation group on hand to help fine tune those places.
Contemporary romance is a lot easier to do, though.. when finding just the right spot for your characters to be.
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Some author mistakes are only noticeable to locals...
I recently read a book where the hero's fist wife was killed on 'the steep, winding road between Carson City and Reno'. Oops! I've driven that road many times. It's Highway 395 and it's not winding, it's four lanes wide, and it goes over gentle, low mountain passes, not mountains. Now, if the author is remembering a road she drove in the area, it would more likely be the road between Lake Tahoe and Reno. Highway 431 or the Mt. Rose Highway. Now that's steep and winding in several places as it goes over the mountains.
But only readers who live in, or often visit this area would notice.
Another local slip I read a few years ago was in a story about a ranch near Reno. The author called the mountains EAST of Reno the Sierras. 1) They're very obviously WEST of Reno. 2) The proper short name is the Sierra. (no s. I've seen this mistake even locally) Or the Sierra Nevada (not Sierra Nevada Mountains, Sierra Nevada means white mountains or snow-covered mountains. Is Spanish for snowy mountain range).
Both slips made me laugh and took me out of the story for a moment but neither took away from my enjoyment of the stories.
Now, I hope I remember enough of my travels in Scotland not to make mistakes in my MS that the locals will laugh at.
That is if I'm lucky enough to get it published and a dear reader in Scotland buys it. 
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Carrie...
If you want her to stay in New York, but not Manhattan, you could try Staten Island (older homes) or one of the other outlying boroughs. Also Long Island, which is further out, but still commutable.
In NJ, you could try Hoboken.
Nini may have more for you. We grew up there in NJ right near NYC (Bayonne), but I moved away early and she lived there longer than I did!
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I don't know...
I think that Sierras thing is pretty common. I hear it all the time, more like a nickname. The Sierras, occasionally The Sierra Nevadas. The s being to represent the multiple mountains in the range. If it's in dialogue, it would fit more appropriately of course, but gramatically, if you're referring to the mountains as a group, the s is correct. If you're referring to the range singularly...that would be without the s.
Ah, the gray areas of English, lol. (Of course,I can make a gray area out of my own name sometimes...)
Dee
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
Have you ever?
I used to live in California.. San Bernardino/Riverside area. There are two passes that I always kept messing up with... Cajon *NOT pronounced Kayjun... but Cahone* Pass and The Grapevine. I was always getting those two mixed up.
And my then hubby kept telling me... "No, Cajon pass goes over to Las Vegas... the Grapevine goes North."
*blush* I was always getting thos two screwed up. Ah well. The one place I do love to use a lot as a starting point for my stories is Seattle, Wa. My mom lives north of Spokane, but I've always loved Pike Place Market and the surrounding area... So I try to use it when I can. :D
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Do you need a location?
Here's an odd question for you...How do you feel when you read a book that doesn't specify where it's taking place? For instance, one of the manuscripts I'm working on at the moment doesn't state where it is, other than the fact that it's in the US, and is somewhere north of Florida (a character mentions heading south to Miami at one point).
I've thought about creating a stronger sense of place, but location just doesn't seem significant to the story. Instead, I've left it as an Anytown, USA.
I guess I'm wondering if you all think this is fine for an otherwise well-fleshed-out story, or if it stands out to you as a gigantic black hole that needs to be filled in?
Karen
My opinion
I would reccomend the author to at least describe the area. Or, if not an exact location, a general one. If he's heading south to Miami... Perhaps he should say:
The air had the strong tang of the ocean as he drove down Highway 1 heading for Miami. If he looked to his left at just the right moment, he could just barely make out the Cape where the shuttle would launch. Checking the time, he saw he'd been out of Daytona Beach for about a half an hour and tried to calculate how long it would take him to get to his destination.
That's just me. Just ask the author to add a small paragraph, telling the reader where they are so they won't get lost.
Of course, Cape Canaveral is, I think, 15 to 30 mins outside of daytona... heheh Having lived there and watched the shuttles go up with my own eyes can make a difference.
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To me, it'd be a big black hole
but to fix it, all the author would have to do is mention that they live in a town in northern Florida. Or whichever state it is. That kind of thing. Then I'd be fine.
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
thanks jodieg!
i appreciate the input! i've never been there, and trying to figure out all the burroughs and outlying areas - yikes! there's SO many!
(small town iowa girl)
carrie
small town iowa girl...
As a reader, if the story and characters are strong I can live with a vague location. But I do like to have a general idea. I may be picturing someplace north of Miami thinking it might be Georgia, hot and humid, then a blizzard happens and I'm thrown off balance. I like to travel and I like to know if it's a place I've been to, or someplace I've dreamt of visiting, or someplace I've never considered visiting but the story makes me want to go there.
As a writer, it doesn't have to be a real location. Make one up, especially if it's a small town. I've set several of my MS in my home town, a small town (40,000). But I've fictionalized it. Mainly to give it what I needed in the story: a small hospital (up until two years ago we didn't have a hospital), a regular bus route (we have a small commuter bus with majorly insufficient stops). I've renamed everything, made one town in the middle of the valley instead of three spread out. It's a fun part of my writing, making a world for my characters. I use real names of the more well-known and well-populated areas around me. Lake Tahoe, Carson City, Reno...
(small town nevada girl)
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Dee...
I see Sierras all the time, too. But it's just English-izing a Spanish word, and maybe eventually it will be in the dictionary. The word also means mountains, not just range of mountains. But I have the same pet peeve about licorice candy that is called licorice and has no licorice in it! I'm just weird that way. And I work for a newspaper where we get that kind of trivia drummed into us early on.
Sierra Nevada in Spanish means "snow-covered mountain range" (sierra is one of the Spanish words for "mountains"). Wikipedia.
"Whether you think you can or think you can't…you're right." ~Henry Ford
LOL Chrissie
Living in Southern California means getting used to a LOT of poorly expressed Spanish or anglocising of the words. Most streets have words that look pretty but make no sense. There's even a place called "Las Pulgas" which cracks me up every time I pass because it means "The Fleas". Yeah, I wanna live there, lol.
My pet peeve is the street in LA that every one calls "Sep-pull-vih-duh". The word is "Sep-pul-veh-dah" (Sepulveda). Drives me crazy every time, but after 100 years of folks not saying it right, they've created their own vernacular. Proper use and spoken use are rarely ever going to cross, I'm afraid. So, we gotta giggle at the nightmare phrases and ignore the ones even worse than that. :)
Or try at least. We can always cringe together when people travel from Sepulveda to the Sierras.
Dee
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
haha
Dee we Kentuckian's are known for creating our own vernacular. The Athens-Boonsboro road near Lexington, Athens is pronounced A-Thans, Versailles is not pronounced ver-SI but is pronounced exactly as it is spelled so it comes out Ver-sales. In the hills were I live we have a placed called Regina, which rhymes with vagina.
That being said I have actually had to stop reading books because the location was not right. There has been a few books set in East Kentucky that was not set up correctly.
Becareful just googling a place, or doing online research then trying to set a book or story in that location. Locals will read the book and instantly know that you did not step foot in their area.
Hey Dee, I hear you there...
I was born and raised in LA and Orange County before moving to NW Nevada. In LA San Jacinto Mountian was pronounced San Hah-cinto. In TX, where my brother lives, the San Jacinto River is pronounced San Jah-cinto.
I have a story set in Scotland and I've been there but I certainly don't know the dialect. I found an online translator for Scots dialect. I translated some words then found an email address of one of the Web site's linguists and mailed my short dialog to him. He made some corrections and now I feel a little more confident that the dialog is logical.
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LOL
About the only people who treat Spanish worse than Californians are Texans. :) In both states are folks who speak it beautiful. But Texans have a way of saying everything according to their own common pronunciation. That "hacinto" (proper) and "juh-cinto" is a great example.
Kinda like folks who say "eye-tallian". Shudder. :)
I swear, I'm going to go over the Spanish in my next book like eight million times now. :)
Dee
Dee Tenorio
"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment."
intcon
what fun, you've got plenty of choices if you want your heroine outside Manhattan in a small, older house...I guess the question I'd ask is, depressed, middle-class or affluent? There are plenty of older suburbs in New Jersey, Westchester and Connecticut, and any of them could be within a reasonable commute of Manhattan, but they can be VERY different from one another. I think someone mentioned Hoboken, which could be interesting (Brooklyn could work, too, though it's not a suburb)...but go slightly further away and you could have a leafy suburb with a small-town feel to it (say, Westfield NJ or Bronxville NY), which might be interesting as well...
...and watch out, because NJ trains come in to Penn Station, while Westchester and CT trains come into Grand Central.
Alaska
I am currently working on my first manuscript, and chose a location ive never been too because I've always WANTED to go there, and its desolate in places. Ive created my own fictional town, Copper Creek, and a few strongly independant characters, but most of the book takes place in a cabin in the Chugach Mountains east of Anchorage. I have learned so much, having to account for things Im not used to think about i.e. sunrise and sunset times, which i pleasantly surprised, helped me write the story. lol. Has anyone been there, or does anyone currently live there?
Gipsiwriter
thanks!
thanks for the input Florie and Chrissie Sue..much appreciated!
carrie
intcon
Check out the New York Times real estate section -- you can access it online.
much appreciated...
much appreciated again florie! i never thought to check there!
carrie
Real Estates and Ideas
They're always a fantastic place. In one of my books, I needed an Andalusian horse ranch, but I wanted it on the Mediteranian Sea... so I looked up Estates over near Barcelona and, after a half hour of searching, found the perfect mansion. Okay, so it didn't have all the goodies t hat were in my book, and I fudged at the size a bit, but I found myself imagining what it would be like there.
I even mentaly took myself for a night time stroll down a market near the sea in Barcelona, trying to get the feel of what it would be like with the scent of exotic flowers, the tangy salt of the sea, and the sound of a lone flamenco guitarist comming from a dockside bar/restraunt.
*mentally kicks herself and turns Armik off from her CD player* Ahem... sorry. :D Whenever I'm at a loss for ideas, I try and just run a random searsh and see what comes up.
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Canadian Help Needed
I'm setting my book in a fictional small town somewhere between Ottawa and Toronto. It's been a while since I've been to Toronto (1994, to be exact), and I've never been to Ottawa. My characters decided they wanted to take me there.
My hero will be traveling from Ottawa to my small town. I looked on a map (thank you, Google Maps!), and it looks like Highway 401(MacDonald-Cartier Freeway?) is the way to go.
My questions are: what is the traffic like there, especially at rush hour in Ottawa? Is this a well traveled road? What is the terrain like? The map looks like it would be a straight shoot from Ottawa-Toronto. I would put an exit to our fictional small town there.
I would have the hero traveling on a motorcycle in the freezing cold to get to the small town's hospital. He looks like a macho biker, but he's actually a caring ER doctor. (think Luka Kovac as a blond with glasses)
Would this be appropriate? Help!
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I'm setting my book in a
I'm setting my book in a fictional small town somewhere between Ottawa
and Toronto. It's been a while since I've been to Toronto (1994, to be
exact), and I've never been to Ottawa. My characters decided they
wanted to take me there.
Ottawa's a lovely city, very cosmopolitan. The Rideau Canal in winter is delightful and the Parliament buildings are lovely, too. Hull is right next door in Quebec and it's got a very lively casino and nightlife, too.
You might want to check out some of the towns like Port Colborne or Cobourg for tourist information - maybe send for their tourism packages to get inspiration for your town The area has a very long history (certainly back to the 3rd quarter of the 18thc) and the towns have some really destinctive features that make them local centres - towns in their own right, not just satellites for the larger cities.
My questions are: what is the traffic like there, especially at rush
hour in Ottawa? Is this a well traveled road? What is the terrain like?
The map looks like it would be a straight shoot from Ottawa-Toronto. I
would put an exit to our fictional small town there.
401 is the main artery in central Canada. It's a very, very well travelled road and once you get out of Toronto, with long rolling hills and farmland. Traffic is traffic. There is lots of it, especially coming in from the outlying areas towards the downtown areas in Ottawa in the morning and after work. Most people just call it the 401, rather than its long, formal designation, because it has different formal monikers along its lenght and it gets confusing.
I would have the hero traveling on a motorcycle in the freezing cold
to get to the small town's hospital. He looks like a macho biker, but
he's actually a caring ER doctor. (think Luka Kovac as a blond with
glasses)
It would depend when!! Most Cdn motorcyclers I know have to put their bikes away after about November because it's simply dangerous to ride after that. The cold and the windchill are deadly. Ottawa is bone chilling (well, most of Canada is cold with the exception of the West Coast) in the winter. It's not uncommon to be -20 or below (that's about -35F), not counting the windchill, and the snow is regularly a few feet throughout the winter. It would be foolhardy to be riding a motorcycle in that weather, macho or no. (Unless of course your heroine has a thing for doctors with frostbite :))
If you're American, (or not Canadian) I'd also recommend having a local go over the ms, too, just to catch the little things (Americans on the news are always calling the health system "Medicare" or "socialized medicine" but people in Ontario simply call it OHIP. Cdn readers would notice that right away.) And there is no such thing as a co-pay for instance.
Good luck. I always like to see "the neighbourhood" on paper.
Claire
Ottawa
Claire:
Wow!!! Thanks so much for the details! Looks like I'll send off for some tourism packages soon! Noelle doesn't have a thing for doctors with frostbite, so it looks like Ryan will do the sensible thing and drive a car down the 401. And get stuck in traffic going from Ottawa to my small town. Not to mention getting snowed in during a crucial point in the story.
I have a question out to another forum user about Canadian med schools. She's been as detailed as you about the answers, so I'll have plenty of research material to ponder before I start revisions. The book is only one chapter through, and I have plot and conflict to consider.
Also, thank you for the clarification about the Canadian health system. I'd wanted a POV about it from someone who actually lives there. I'm American, and you've probably heard all the news about the system here in the States. I have my own views on it, but this is the wrong place to discuss politics.
Again, thanks so much for your details. I'll probably be picking your brain again soon.
Hollie.
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Ontario
I checked the websites for Port Colborne and Cobourg. They don't have any paper packets to be sent for, but the Ontario travel site (http://www.ontariotravel.net) has PDF files for download. The Ontario Travel site is beautiful! (and, being a web designer, something I aspire to.)
One more question about the health system. Is it administered by the provinces, or is this nationwide, like our Medicare/Medicaid? I probably should be asking my Canadian doctor friend about this.
Mind if I send my ms your way when it's finished so you can pick up on details I may have missed or gotten wrong?
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Tourism and Health Care
MS - If you're having trouble finding tourism guides for the Eastern parts of Ontario, try Kingston, the 30,000 Islands and Prince Edward County (not Island :). They're all larger centres/regions that will likely have tourism info.
Health care is different here than in the states. It's nationwide in that it is paid for by the federal goverment through tranfer payments to the provinces, and is governed by an Act of Parliament that limits things like for-profit fees etc. However, the provinces run the healthcare in that they fund the hospitals, decide on the overall list of procedures and drugs, set wait time standards etc. Everyone gets coverage and you don't pay for most services directly - that's what your OHIP card is for - and your doctor or the hospital is reimbursed by OHIP (or whatever province's health program you are in) You don't have to have your treatment preapproved and the government doesn't deny service or limit access as a cost saving strategy. The Ontario Ministry of Health might be another site for you to research: they have a lot of info on how the system works here.
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