I'm about to "Book Review" the second book in the second Athena Force Continuity and it got me thinking . . .
How many continuity mistakes do you notice in such series? Does it seem to depend on the series itself? Do you think you can tell if the authors and editors worked well together? And how responsible do you think the team bringing us such books should be for getting little details right?
I'm under the impression but too lazy to go back and prove myself right or wrong that the timeline is off a bit on this second series . . . I am QUITE certain that there were timeline and continuity problems in the first series. I remember it bugging me so much that I went back to earlier books and double-checked my memory.
And how many books should be in a series? Or a continuity? Does it make a difference? I have found that with mysteries and thrillers, I get TIRED for the hero or heroine and reach the point where I want them to settle down to a nice, boring life. Is that what makes a continuity a better choice for lots of books -- you've got different heroes and heroines helping move the common story thread along?
Back to a series by one author . . . I think 3 or 4 is/are (a) good number(s). But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to re-visit the world I'd been in. If I've enjoyed a series, I would definitely be open to more stories in that world with different characters, esp. if we caught glimpses of the characters who first introduced me to that world. A specific example is/are the quartets by Tamora Pierce -- I've only read one but I'd really like to read her others (actually, I enjoyed the first so much that I'd want to read the quartets set in the same world and the ones not set there). And since they're all or almost all available on audio, that will probably happen this year.
How 'bout you? Can you stick with a series (say, Stephanie Plum or the "In Death") books for an indefinite number of books?
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Continuity mistakes in series
What a great question! I can find myself bounced right out of book by all kinds of little things. When a group of authors are working together I think it is very important that they are communicating well about where they are going so that timelines are moving forward. Do I think it indicates whether a team is working well together? I had not given this much thought, but at the least I would say that the editor is not paying as much attention to the little things as I would like. Who leads this team of writers? Is it one editor, is it a designated author?
There is one series I have been reading that includes 12 books. As long as each book is moving the back story forward and focuses on one couple I'm happy. There is another series I started forever ago and it is still going on. I no longer run right out and buy the newest book in the series and the ones I have are hovering at the bottom of my TBR pile. Can I stick with a series? I guess it depends on the series, but I don't think I have unlimited patience with a series.
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Continuities
Hello-All,
The-main-series-that-I-got-all-the-books-was
'The_Elliotts'..There-was-a-tie-in-between
them-and-the-other-series,'The_Ashtons'.The
characters-visited-between-each-other's
stories..It-was-sad-to-see-the-series-finish.
Aurelene
Great question!
This is a great question!!! I do notice. The two best series in terms of continuity that I have read are Secrets We Keep (HR) and the MR series Crocodile Creek. It is possible I miss tiny things but I just had this strong feelings that the authors incorporated the mini-series theme into the heart of the book instead of it just being a gimmick or plot device. I also liked the Dark Enchantments Nocturne series very much because they were thematically united so a timeline wasn't necessary for it to feel like a series.
In general, I like series but they irritate me a lot if they feel like a marketing gimmick rather than an organic series. I get resentful almost when I feel like it series are now the norm, esp. in long books... on the other hand, I am so looking forward to the next book in Beth Ciotta's Evie and the Chameleon Chronicles I can't stand it! I like the idea of series like Hotel Marchand and the Athenas very much but I like to be able to buy them all at once . I do not mind a mixed timeline when a second book goes back in time but sees the same event or part of it from another perspective or character's viewpoint. I actually love those very, very much. Mysteries are a great genre for many books because it's great to see sleuth solve more than one case, the more different the myseries, the better somehow.
What really IRKS me is when I discover a great series in the middle and I cannot purchase the first books from the same source if I am buying direct from the publisher. I am still annoyed about the Steeple Hill series Secrets of Stonely. I got all but one of them ( he first). If books are going to be marketed as series, let the readers be able to buy the complete series all the way until through the publishing or shelf life of the last book. For new romance readers, the series thing is enough to drive a shopper crazy.
I do not know the exact number of books is ok or too many but there can be too many. Hannah Howell, I would like to read her someday maybe because she writes Medievals. My reaction, however, when I see HIghland this and Highland that in this long list of titles...well, I just feel too overwhelmed. Where do I start? Which are Medievals? I feel dread when I see this long list and I have no idea how they all relate. I do not want to read her entire back list ---I just want to try her but so far I am too overwhelmed by the list.
I know the series thing is often a marketing thing, esp. seeing how MANY books are series. I guess for me it boils down to the question---is it an organic connection or a marketing one in name only. I would like marketing to address very much or keep in the back of their minds is the new reader ---a reader new to an author, a line, or even the entire romance genre. How do we best sell and market books/series to the newbie as well as the established reader and to keep that in mind through the entire series.
Great question Penn!
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I have to admit...
that I don't tend to notice a lot of the mistakes. They have to be glaringly obvious or I miss them. Someone pointed out some mistakes in the Athena line that had just gone right past me. I do prefer series with one set of characters, like In Death, Kinsey Millhone, Kay Scarpetta (till the author switched to third person), Kim Harrison, etc. I don't really like continuities as a general preference and there are only a few that I've even tried to read. Heck, as good as the Madonna Key one was, I still haven't read the last book! Great question!
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Me, I love a series. Can't say I always notice the mistakes. The ones I usually notice are wrong names and ages. I would think most mystery lovers like book series, as most are written that way. I also think a series can go on a fairly long time, as long as the main secondary characters are strong and new ones are brought in occasionally. One of my new fav authors in mystery is Stuart Woods. He has 4 series at this point, plus singles. And he tends to combine the series, which I find very cool. And you never know which characters from a previous book will appear.
I guess it all comes down to personal preference. Obviously series work for a fairly large number, as you see plenty of them out there. I went to a Q&A Nora Roberts did a couple of years ago, and she said people always write to her asking for more books to either a series she's completed or some of her single stories. When she's done, she's done. And that night, at least a half dozen people asked about continuations on previous stories. Which lead to that response. You'd think they'd be happy with her In Death series, huh?
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I havent read this book, or series..
I dont know about continuity....but what bugs me is when I find misspellings. I read a book recently where a word was spelled wrong. And another where they used the word "their" instead of "there".
Who proof reads these things?
Terri
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Terri - unfortunately the spell checker is sometimes responsible
for that kind of thing. Some people love a spell checker but it's
not an oracle just a tool, and the predictive text thingy drives me
crazy
I don't mind continuities as long as the details are well done. One which I feel has been way overdone is the Montana Mavericks
Debbie - I can't imagine leaving one of Vaughn's books just sitting in my TBR and not finishing the Madonna Key series
Bad
).
style tends to get me more than occasional typos. As a translator I
tend to have a thesaurus beside me when I'm rereading, but maybe style
doesn't get taught in school any more. I mean I like Lora Leigh's
writing, but adjust, adjust and adjusted in three consecutive sentences
- that's just plain laziness (the editor's if it happened to slip by
LL's vigilance
Must go back to adding book reviews, now that I've filled in the gaps
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The fact...
that I haven't read one of Evelyn Vaughn's books because it is the last in a continuity is a good example of why the continuities start to drive me nuts. I KNOW she's a phenomenal writer and I KNOW I'll enjoy it. Heck, I loved her writing back when she wrote for Silhouette Shadows! But the whole continuity thing.... *sigh*
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I am a series slut. Love
I am a series slut. Love them. However, I have gotten away from some of the multi-author series as there were too many errors in them. These 12 book series just are so large that the interconnection between authors just isn't there. Madonna Key was an awesome series, you could just tell the authors totally worked together. As for single author series books, I love those. Getting glimpses into other couples' HEA, seeing the occasional small hiccup and how they deal with it. As for single couple series, it totally depends on the author - now I love the In Death series, but a big part of way is the growth of the characters, they all are constantly learning. I walked from the Kay Scarpetta series partially because the characters never changed, Marino was a prejudiced annoying man, who never seemed to learn from his failures and I swear no one was ever happy. I am also hesitant to read them when they never move the couple along - I can deal with a couple of books of are they or aren't they, but then I want it decided and please don't bring in someone else to muddle up the waters unless you plan on dealing with it within a book or two.
That's just my opinion though.
Cady
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Terri, re mis-spellings,
I have a friend who writes for Silhouette and on one of her books the someone ran spell-check and introduced all sorts of typos PLUS they moved an adjective that totally changed the meaning of the sentence (one of those adjectives that means one thing in one spot and another in the other) after she had signed off on it. Totally ticked her off. Once she's signed off on her book, NO ONE should be making changes.
Sometimes it IS the author and editor's fault but other times . . .
FWIW,
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Obviously, I'm in the minority
b/c you know that publishers are in business for profit and not my personal reading pleasure LOL so enough people must be into these series.
I haven't made time for many series or continuities in the last few years. When I was young, I did read all of Agatha Christie's stuff. Is that b/c I had time? B/c it was well done? B/c it was mytery and not so much action and no thriller elements?
But I think it's normal to be irked at mistakes in a series or continuity. It's a question of whether it totally ruins the reading experience or is barely a blip on the radar.
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My views are
My views are similar to Cady's in that I enjoy a lot of series authors. I do get ticked off sometimes for obvious errors. A few are okay and I can ignore especially if I'm into the book, but continuous errors throughout a book annoy me. I loved the first Athena books and while I thought there were a few discrepancies they didn't bother me at all. The latest books I'm mainly reading like stand alones. Maybe has something to do with so many new authors writing now. I still enjoy them but not as much except for a couple of them.
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typos, mis-spellings and other errors
The their for there, or to for too, type errors I've blamed on proof-readers, or editors for not picking up on that error. Now (Penn was it you?) introduced the possibility of it being a printer (A PRINTER?) running a spell check. What the heck is a printer running a spell check for. Those errors can bounce me right out of the book for a few minutes, but I've never blamed the author for it. If I was in that author's shoes I would be so annoyed.
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I enjoy linked books .....
I have problems concentrating and for years I couldn't even read anything longer than a chapter or two .... even today I find something longer than a superromance is difficult for me ... the continuities or author series are great .... it's like watching your favourite t.v. series ... or going to your favourite coffee shop and catching up on the local news
I love the series set around a location and you get to met various people .... the Code Reds were good, set around a hospital and all the emergency personel that worked there .... and because it's the location that links the stories, I find multi-author work well
I also love series around a family or group of close friends ... for these I prefer them to be from a single author .... that way the flavour is consistent
I got hooked on Jonathan Kellerman's Alex Delaware character ... and adore Faye Kellerman's Reba and Peter Dekker .... Tony Hillerman's Chee/Leaphorn books are pretty awesome .... ah, and Ed McBain's 87th Precinct, great reading ..... gosh, and I think I have all of John D. MacDonald's Travis McGees
and it was Julie Miller's Taylor Clan and Debra Webb's Colby Agency that brought me back to Harlequins four years ago ... I hadn't even known Harlequin had an imprint called Intrigue until I picked up Julie's Kansas City Bravest at a yard sale
so I think I can say I'm a series slut too
..... though I do think some series need an end sometime ..... sometimes more is just more
and on the matter of the "Printer" running spell check .... they should lose their contract for doing that .... I would think their action breached the clause of not altering the works of another ... they would need written direction to make changes of any sort .... someone's head needed to roll on that one and the book should have been recalled and reprinted at the Printer's expence
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Printers making mistakes
DH works for a big company that do the on board calculators and computers for Airbus
one
of their divisions is the Air Traffic Management division but because
the French language has a word "trafic" (which does not mean traffic),
the printer changed the English spelling to the French one
Great advertising - NOT - for a company's quality dept when the English, American and Russian bigwigs visit
I agree with you all that it shouldn't happen, but should not and does not are different tenses
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I love series... it's kind
I love series... it's kind of a challenge when I can only find the latter half of the series new- go hunting in the used bookstores for the others. The two things that irk me most- spelling errors (I feel like I'm coming to a screeching halt!) and when the publisher decides to reprint a series and doesn't reprint them all. The 'Sundered' series by Michelle Sagara West is a case in point- bks 1, 3 and 4 were reprinted. And at the time, the only used copy of book 2 that I could find I had to get from Australia! LOL....
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Continuities
I'm a sucker for the continuities, too, but the quality can vary wildly. The Ashtons a few years ago was great; I find the Fortunes overrated; and Harlequin has a weird habit of wrapping up the overarching story in Book 8 and then Books 9-12 are extras. Someone running spellcheck explains a lot of the stupid typos. In the first line of BREATHLESS they actually spell it Marine CORP! They may be trying to save money on proofreading that way, but it's going to piss authors off, something no decent publisher should want to do.
Hey Penni - all this discussion of continuities and series
has convinced me - I'm going to make March my series / continuities month
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That's an excellent idea ......
Sadhbh ... maybe you should suggest that to Lorie for a new challenge over on her Mini Challenge thread
I have quite a few series that I've been putting off and really should get into
great idea!
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Continuities and Spelling
Well, since typos are a pet peeve of mine, I thought I would weigh in on this one. I am just a reader of books. I know nothing about the writing (couldn't write if my life depended on it) of them or the editing or the proofing. BUT I get REALLY frustrated when I pay out my hard earned money for a book only to start finding problems as I start looking for more and lose out on the story. I actually put aside a Harlequin last year for this reason (can't remember what one, but I think I blogged it). In my job, much less wordy than writing, if a person makes enough speeling or grammetical errors, it can lead to a misleading report and then there are lots of mad people so a good spell checker (one that doe not automatically correct, but asks for each correction) can make a huge difference. Don't books get proofreadby a human? Sadhbh probably reads fast enough to proof the entire line monthly plus some....
Then for the continuity series. I like them so long as everyone is onto the same story. I hate the little errors too. There was a series, I think last year where everyone ended up in the same park at one point. It was fun and though the characters otherwise were rather independent, there was that brief meeting. The Mediterranean Nights series seems to be doing a pretty good job as I haven't found too many errors in its storyline. It won't keep me from reading them though
Bonsal
The only continuity I read
The only continuity I read straight through was the Fortunes one, but it was a couple years back so I don't remember if I came across many errors.
I enjoy reading series books. I like revisiting characters and/or themes. As for the length of the series, it depends on how well I like the characters, if I feel the same issues are being repeated (bc you're right, enough is enough), etc. And I can (even prefer to) read several in a series or by the same author in a row.
Jo
typo's
wwwaaaaaay back in high school ( you know, when the earth cooled?), we had to read The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck. I dont know exactly where, but there is a place in the book, where it said "....and the cards whizzed by on Route 66,". The teacher said he had written to the publisher, that Cards dont whizz, but maybe CARS do. I dont know if he ever got an answer.
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Typos changing the meaning
Way back when the Earth was still cooling, I read "The Awakening" by Kate Chopin for my Women in Lit class (one of my fav classes EVER). Some of us had a book that read, "her household goods" and others "her household gods" and of course, didn't know how she had written it. And those of us with "household gods" had a totally different view of the scene and characters and story even after discussing the possibility that it was simply "goods". That image of her valuing her things so highly just couldn't get out of our brains . . .
Typos. Bad. Can change meanings and interpretations. Can pull readers out of the story. Bad bad bad . . .
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and of course that's the kind of thing that doesn't come up
in a spellcheck - there are other worse ones that have nearly slipped through into technical translations
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Multiple-Authors-in-a-Miniseries
One-reason-the-Elliotts-worked-so-well
was-that-there-was-a-meeting-of-all-the
authors-and-a-'lore-Bible'.In-other-words,
they-had-certain-facts-about-all-the-characters
that-were-set-in-stone..Each-author-had-to
consult-the-'lore-bible'-to-keep-their-part
of-the-series-factual.
Aurelene
Multiple-Authors-in-a-Miniseries
I-also-agree-about-not-finding-all-the-books-in
a-particular-series...I-went-to-the-thrift-store
and-found-a-great-title.It-was-from-the-middle
of-the-Ashton's-series.
In-the-Steeple-Hill-genre-there-was-a
miniseries-about-a-publishing-family-called
"Davis_Landing"..BY-the-time-I-found-out
about-it-I-couldn't-order-it..I-found-some-of
them,not-all-at-the-public-library.
Aurelene
Series can go on too long
I think that some series can go on too long. The Fortunes series just keeps going and going. I enjoy the series like the Wingman Warriors by Catherine Mann where you get new characters but also get to see others in some books but not all.
One of the best series I read was Family Secrets - They kept the story going and the characters doing the same things.
Elaine
I agree with you that the
I agree with you that the Fortunes went on too long; the last spinoff, the Dakota Fortunes, was a little too mean-spirited. I also loved Family SEcrets. That's one I with they'd come back to. Another of Harlequin's annoying habits is reprinting some of a series but not all of it. They did that with the Fortunes and 43 Light Street. I found some of the missing ones on eBay and at my local used bookstore (which doesn't exist anymore). I really wish they would rotate reprinting series in their entirety; they'd make some money and some new customers.