Our Doctor's verdict: Food Poisoning
Finally Glenn got in with our family doctor. He had an appointment yesterday but had a fender bender car accident so the appointment was postponed. Without testing the actual cauliflower, They feel fairly certain that it was a foodborne illness from the cauliflower (the only food we did not eat in common.) Given the fact that he felt great all day until he ate it and the violent stomach cramps 90 minutes after he finished it, it is a good indicator that it was food-related since it takes about 90 min. for food to get to the stomach, they said. The Urgent Care people blew off food poisoning because it wasn't intestinal and were scaring us like crazy with talk about rushing to the ER and all the horrible things it could be. I am glad they were there to do tests but frothing up additional panic instead of using some common sense really ticks me off...and why I like our family doctor. Anyhow, Glenn is getting better and now slowly weaning himself of the BRAT (bananas, rice, applesause and toast) diet and chicken soup to lean meat as they suggested. His temperature is down but he is still very weak from lack of real food since Thursday and lack of sleep. If the blood test they did today shows up with still high white blood cells, they will prescribe antibiotics.
I am sure this blog will get lost but so be it. I wanted to thank everyone who posted comments on my earlier blog when I mentined this. I also want to thank Sandi and Debiw and others who gave me so much practical help and wisdom off the Challenge that was truly useful.
I know it is the microbes not the vegetable but I cannot see us ever eating cauliflower again. So.... this was the result of our nice attempt to eat more healthlily and lose some weight.... forget that....Glenn was sicker than I have ever seen him. He was violently ill. I won't gross anyone out by more details but this was horrible to watch another human being experience.
If you haven't seen the news, there are reports of food illnesses (salmonella) from tomatoes in 9 or so states from Illinois to Texas to Arizona and Clorado, NM, Utah, etc. It wasn't tomatoes for us but fresh cauliflower steamed the very next day. We are fastidious about food/kitchen safefy...but he still got very, very violently ill.
AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus







Being careful
I once seemed to get food poisoning from Cauliflower. It was mild but I was miserable for most of a day. While I still eat Cauliflower I am more careful about the black spots it gets. If there are a lot I won't just scrape them off but assume the whole vegetable is bad. I am glad Glenn is getting better.
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Hi Merri
I'm so sorry your husband is suffering. Glad you got him into your doctor and that he is able to get some food down. I don't blame you for not wanting to eat cauliflower again. I felt that way with spinach for a while after I got sick from it during the spinach scare.
Margie :)
Merri, I'm glad you have a
Merri, I'm glad you have a doctor who is able to add 2+2 and get 4. By that I mean he really listened to Glenn (or you), heard that the cauliflower was the only item that you did not eat in common and realized that 90 minutes after ingestion Glenn became violently ill. Food poisoning can have mild to violent results depending on how much and what type of nasty microbe is involved.
I hope that Glenn is feeling better.
Nancy
I'm glad to hear that Glenn
I'm glad to hear that Glenn is feeling better. Thank goodness for your family doctor. It is always good to get a second opinion rather than listen to the doctors that cause panic.
It is strange that its healthy foods that are causing illnesses. Last summer it was lettuce and spinach, now its tomatoes. I've heard of cauliflower being a iffy type of food, its not a favorite of mine anyway.
People who look down on others are the real freaks of this world.
Food poisoning
Margie, I am sorry to hear the spinach got you. Glenn was so violently ill and looked so horrible for days after that I don't think I even want to look at cauliflower ever again. Blake, that is interesting and a good thing to watch in any vegetable. It was a beautiful head and looked very fresh but whatever it was, was noxious.
Nancy, I am happy to have found this family doctor. Time and time again, this doctor and also the nurse practitioner really come through in ways others have not by mixing common sense with real knowledge. He is doing better and better each day. It was vert violent and he still looks horrible/is weak almost a week later. I wish his boss would get it that illness is illness and would enforce things with those who shirk work day in day out rather than look askance at the hardworkers who get sick. He should not have tried to go back to work today. I suppose we should be thankful that his stomach lining acted fast to protect him from more serious harm. I won't gross people out but they told him some interesting things about stomach linings and how it acts to protect the body. One of the models on the cover of some of the medicals sort of looks like our family doctor if the model had a bit shorter more buzz cut hair.
AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus
Merri, I'm glad that the doctor gave you a straight verdict....
A lot of times they don't like to make a definite diagnosis for food poisioning, but kind of hum-hall around without committment.
I'm glad your DH is going to be alright. At least he's got you to help him. Imagine going through all that alone!
I showed this blog to my DH who once got food poisoning that lasted three days from frozen fish. So he definitely sympathizes as do I - because I had to help him, just like you are with DH. Take care! It'll be over with soon and everything will be back to normal again!
* I should add that what I said wasn't intended as a doctor slam at all, in case anyone misunderstood me....
"Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see."
- Mark Twain
Doctors and Medical romances
Amanda, thanks. It really makes huge difference to see a good doctor. All the fancy tests in the world are no substitute for practical knowledge sometimes and good listening skills.
I am not sure how useful I really am. I felt very helpless just watching him. When I was a kid, we always had medicine for vomiting and also to induce it and I remember my parents showing me the two and making a big deal about always checking which is which. It wasn't for me, I have only gotten sick to my stomach 3-4 times in my entire life. We had lots of things in the medicine cabinet as staples people don't seem to have nowadays. I even remember house calls and I am not that old and grew up in a city.
We discovered this doctor somewhat by fluke. He is actually in Lakewood, the town where we used to live but every time we think of trying to find a doctor closer to home, something happens to make me more and more convinced that I do not want to deal with anyone else. Both the doctor and nurse practioner just seem to combine knowledge and common sense and listening skills to get it right. Granted, the respiratory specialist did save my life when it wasn't clear what I had, but it was the family doctor who got the most suitable post hospitalization meds for me in lieu of the more advertised hip meds which were causing bad side effects. I complained, it was switched, I was fine.
I am not sure I can explain this connection other than to say I read an Olivia Gates medical the other night (not blogged yet) and it made me think of her Desire and how the body is seen as a good thing and about some of the medical romances I have read where the doctors are competent and are more than just technicians...they seem to have a calling for medicine, for the body and for dealing with patients. Some doctors just make a person feel bad being there but this doctor doesn't. Same with Olivia Gates' romances (both medicals and the Desire I read) and many of the medicals. Probably philosophical approaches embedded somehowe but as patients (and readers), there is just a different approach to the body and medicine.
AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus
Glenn...
I'm just glad to know he's doing better and that some of my advice from being a sickie in the past helped! Food poisoning TERRIFIES me!!
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It sounds to me like your
It sounds to me like your doctor and his NP are worth their weight in gold. There is nothing, no test in the world that can compete for good sense. Medicine is not strictly a science--it is a blend of science and art. The most skilled technician can make mistakes because they don't use all their senses--including the 6th sense of intuition.
Nancy
Medical talk....
"When I was a kid, we always had medicine for vomiting and also to induce it and I remember my parents showing me the two and making a big deal about always checking which is which."
Merri, we never actually had medicines to induce vomiting, but we did use mustard and hot water. Has anyone you know ever tried that? Disgusting believe me. It makes anyone want to throw up!
Have you had your gallbladder removed, by any chance? This is often a cause of people not being able to vomit.
Yes, I totally agree that when you've found a doctor who will genuinely listen and observe without trying too hard to always apply a technical solution, you've found a great thing! It makes me think about how doctors must've been years ago before all the technology. In order to make their diagnosis they would have to listen to their patients. Of course, thank God for modern techology too. I know I wouldn't be here without it. My appendix erupted back when I was sixteen. It was so nasty that the surgical team said it was practically unidentifiable when they removed it. For days equipment sucked out the green poison that my body was filled with. I was in the hospital seven days - the longest seven days of my life! If I'd been back before all that, I would've died. So, what we need in our modern doctors is a mix of the old-doctor mentality and compassion along with the savvy of modern know-how.
I am sure you're a huge comfort to your DH, regardless of whether you can actually help him physically. You're helping him from the heart!
I like reading medicals sometimes. I've been hearing about Olivia Gates, but I haven't tried reading her books yet. Another one to add to my TBB list.
"Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see."
- Mark Twain
I wonder what it was.
I wonder what it was. I'll have to see if my mom remembers. I think it was just one of those things people with kids kept arpound? I ate an entire bottle of vitamin pills when I was a kid but I didn't need any help to induce vomiting then. I have never had my gall bladder removed. I just rarely have stomach things..once when I had mono as a kid, once when I had a bug in college and then when I tried to eat too fast after my hysterectomy. In almost 48 years, that's it. But, of course, so far I have not had food poisoning either.
The appendix experience sounds horrible. One of my dh's co-workers just had her appendix out and then she got an infection from the surgery which was even worse and she was back in the hospital over a week after that. Everyone here has been really hypervigilant about pain in the addomen lately. Whern I had my hysterectomy, my surgeon asked me if I wanted her to take out my appendix for free while she was there. I am glad she did!
I am definitewly glad for modern medicine! When I got this asthma/pneumonia-like virus last year, I would never have survived without modern medicine. But...I do like medical people with listening skills and who know other things too. I got this small skin infection and I really, really did not want to try a new antibiotic after having had a bad reaction to 2 with my spider bite last year. The NP listened and suggested I try hot wet compresses for 2 days...it worked so she spared me that.
AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus
Hi Merri,
I remember hearing about something called ipecac, used to inducing you-know-what. So I Googled it, and it's still in use.
I've been careful of fresh produce ever since I saw a farm worker piss in a strawberry field 25 years ago!
My friend's father got very ill when he ate something at a restaurant that had salmonella in it. It took a few day for him to be diagnosed, too.
Another friend got food poising from a fast food taco on the day of her wedding! She was able to make it through the ceremony.
ChrissieSue....
OMG about the woman being sick at her wedding! That's probably the most un-romantic thing that could possibly happen at a woman's wedding, which she'd no doubt planned so lovingly. Well... actually on second thought, there's several un-romantic things that could happen at a wedding.... Anyway, that must've been a terrible, terrible disappointment to her.
"Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see."
- Mark Twain
Merri...
Well, I'm glad you had your appendix out already. At least you won't have to ever worry about that. It hurts, believe me. Only three vomiting experiences in your entire life? Wow, you sound like you're very healthy.
I've heard of the med that Chrissie mentioned above. And it got me to thinking about my DH telling horror stories about having to take caster oil when he was a kid.
How's your DH feeling now? I hope he's better!
"Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see."
- Mark Twain
ChrissieSue, that's the
ChrissieSue, that's the name of it!
Amanda, I don't get sick a lot but I don't have this super-healthy lifestyle. People in my family have done everything they shouldn't and mostly all have lived into their 90s and over 100. How horrible to have food poisoning during a person's wedding! The day Glenn and I got married, it was sooo hot that we just had to wear shorts.
Glenn is better and his blood test showed that his white blood count is back to normal but his throat is sore and he is not back up to speed at all.
AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus
Oh my, so sorry to hear
Oh my, so sorry to hear Glen is still not feeling back to normal yet.
Wow, that was some food poisoning if that's what it was. I've had food poisoning before, and i sure thought i was sick...but i've never been as sick as your dh, thank god. That sounds awefull.
Have you heard of any more cases of people getting sick from eating cauliflower?
Sounds like he's on a slow up hill crawl to get better. Hoping he gets to the top real soon.
Kathy D
Katherine T, he is better
Katherine T, he is better but I just think the last bit of getting better is going to take some time. I talked to a friend of mine last night---the nurse who got me reading romance. She said that it can take time and the last bit of recuperating, the small things he is feeling now are typical and also what she experienced the one time she had food poisoning. If it doesn't get better, i guess he will go back. It took months for my throat to get better after being on a respirator (plus the asthma meds contributed).
It's really hard to tell if tyhere are more cases. WHen we have mild upsets from food, we never report it. This was so extreme, that we reported this to the grocery store (who did nothing), the CDC and the Colorado Health Department. It seems like some people really dance around the food poisoning issue and want to attribute it to anything else. They even tried to mention food allergy...Glenn has eaten caulifloweer his whole life. Our doctor is as certain as certain can be without testing the caulifower. He was feeling great until 90 minutes after eating the cauliflower which is just the time it takes to get from the mouth to the stomach. That is when the stomach cramps started. Our doctor says that with a virus it tends to come on a bit more slowly...not this IMMEDIATE well/violent cramping so perfectly timed with food. It's the only food not in common. Plus..no one at Glenn's job is sick and we don't have kids and is most recently have not been hanging out with people who have kids lately. Our life has been very quiet and home-based lately. It's very frustating to see how the authorities who deal with these issues really try to turn you away. Anyhow, we did report it and the Colorado Health Department is going to report it to the FDA etc. The problem is now it is 2 weeks past so it is too late because the food has changed. ZThis whole experience of trying to report it makes me really wonder how many cases don't get reported. It wasn't until I explained every last little detail to the Health Department that they started taking it more seriously...little things like how he worksd for a very small company where only one person was sick and it was appendicitis (Not contagious) and how we have spent the past couple of weeks very much at home working on websites and with nothing else than going to the grocery store in terms of public exposure. They did not ask..I had to offer all that.
AKA Merri
Family Challenge Team: The Spine Breakers with my dh Glenn AKA Phaedrus