There's so much going on in here for wannabe authors (and don't get me wrong, that's fantastic!) that the "just readers" among us occasionally may feel a little reticent to make comments in what are essentially writing discussions.
And given that "reticent" is my middle name
I feel qualified to comment, because my take on this is that if you've something to say, say it, irrespective of whether it's a writing discussion, a book review, a "writer" forum, a "reader" forum or a comment in here. It would make our hosties' jobs easier if we could all remain polite, but they've never tried to stop us expressing ourselves.
The reader feedback in here is priceless for authors because they can bounce ideas off us, note what themes we really don't like to read any more and decide to convince us they can change our minds with their particular story. And more power to their busy little fingers!
I've rarely felt "put down" because I'm not a writer, (although I have attempted a novel or two, have actually managed to finish my WIPs, sent one off to be critiqued and was very grateful for the feedback, but came to the conclusion that it's too much hard work, and I prefer reading) and even though I'm "just" a reader, that doesn't mean I can't have valid viewpoints. I don't always have to like, I don't always have to agree, but I do have to be careful to express my disagreement as politely as possible.
As a reader I spend a lot of my hard-earned dosh buying books and that means there's nothing "just" about it, my reading keeps all the authors going and when a reader spends her/his time and money on a book, s/he's entitled to an opinion. Do I expect the author to change anything because of it? Quite frankly, no. But I do feel that I'm allowed to express my opinion anyway.
When it's one of my hot buttons, I say so, and when it's something the author could have avoided (typos, bad grammar, injudicious choice of words in certain contexts) I say that too, because there's relatively little chance of that happening too often in a H/S book, their editors do an excellent job, but just occasionally a typo does get through, and just in case they pay attention to our blogs, they might be interested in whether we notice the typos and whether we care.
Another "reader" aspect that fascinates me is the difference in critical analysis between one reader and another. Some readers seem to me to critique a book to the max, while others barely mention any of the details and yet say it was excellent! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying either of the extremes is right or wrong, just that I'm fascinated by the diversity. And it's one of the main reasons for reading the blogs and the book reviews, these different insights into the same book.
What fascinates me about my own reading experience is the way some authors immediately grab me and I "get" everything their characters do, because I'm on the same wavelength as the author, but with other authors I just don't "get" and probably will never get what they're doing because I'm just NOT on the same wavelength. And so some people will rave about their favourite authors and I'll go "huh?" (but not necessarily out loud
) and they'll be equally perplexed that an author I rave about leaves them going "huh?" but there's room for everybody and every kind of reaction in here.
I've just read a review of one of my favourite books where the reviewer was more critical of certain aspects that I loved than I had been, and I can only presume that I was caught up on the author's wavelength, because while I accept that the reviewer reacted the way she did, and that it's her honest reaction, I didn't have the same reaction and my honest reaction was equally valid. I'm not egocentric enough to go in all guns blazing and lambast her for daring to criticize the (to my mind) flawless novel we both read, I just shrugged and said to myself, "funny, I didn't see it like that" and came in here to bore y'all out of your minds with my early morning drivel thoughts
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It always bothers me when
It always bothers me when people feel the need to qualify their opinion with "just a reader", or "I'm not published" and so on. I guess because when I sold my book, there was no miracle fairy dust that settled over me making my opinion suddenly more valuable than it was the day before. And on the flipside, I've had bad experiences in the past because I've put too much credence in the opinion or advice of a writer solely because he/she was published.
I think there's good advice and bad advice going around at any given time, same as there are positive influences and negative influences. None of which are dependent on whether or not a person has written a book or sold it.
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No miracle fairy dust?!?
Dang.
Just because you asked....
There are a couple of boards here, where in the past, I felt like I was ignored because I was a reader and not a writer, as a result I don't visit those boards. (Although honestly, when school is in session, I don't visit anywhere, but that is a completely separate issue). I'm more of a lurker anyway, but I do have a tendency to avoid those places, which could have changed.
As for having worthwhile opinions, I think that all readers do. However, I would say that some people are more comfortable with saying that a book was an excellent read or didn't work for them without giving details. Certainly, I prefer to think things through and give details, but I know that everyone is not like that. (As a matter of fact, I would hazard a guess that my husband would prefer that I didn't analyze every little detail of a book or movie since he gets to hear all about it).
When I read a review, I would rather see details simply because that helps me to decide whether or not I am interested in the book. However, I also know that there are some people whose tastes are similar or mine or whose opinion I respect enough to listen to even if they don't give details.
When I see that someone did not enjoy a book that I really liked or does not care for an author that I think is wonderful, I usually chalk it up to differing tastes. For example, you and I differ on somethings but enjoy some of the same things. When I see that you have read a historical--say Julia Quinn for example--then I read your review carefully if I haven't read the book because I know my opinion of it will be similar, but I tend to skip over your Blaze reviews because Blazes just aren't my thing.
I don't usually feel shy about saying that a book did/didn't work for me because 1) I think about what I am saying before I say it and 2) readers are an important part of the industry. There would not be a publishing industry if there were not readers. (I don't know that my thoughts about that are the same as anyone else's, but I can no means be considered shy regardless.
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What else was there? Oh, yes, typos. Typos make me crazy! Nothing can pull me out of a book faster than poor editing. I always thought that was because I can't turn off the English teacher part of my brain that is constantly editing, so I am glad to know they bother some one else!
J
My two cents
Good discussion here. I have also felt somewhat ignored on certain threads and like J I basically ignore them now.
There are reviewers on here whose reviews I always read even on a book I'll never read because I like their writing and thoughts. I always read reviews on a book I've read or considered reading or buying and figure out why they liked the book or not and whether I would like it or pass it up.
I have written reviews for print publication in the past and my editor at the time was very good at what she did and in the process helped me become a better writer. Typos drive me crazy because I feel there is no excuse for them.
Sadhbh--So write what you feel and let the chips fall where they may. As long as we don't insult someone on purpose I feel we all have a right to our opinions. Even if we are 'just' readers. If I am writing a review of a book I wasn't crazy about I try be kind but also express what I did not like about that book. I am also one of those who goes huh? at times but I realize we all have different tastes and I respect that.
Mary
Sadhbh....
First of all, let me say that I think this is a very intelligent and thought-provoking blog. In the strangest way, it's encouraged me.
Yes, I'm a writer. However, first and foremost, I'm a reader. Through the years, I've gotten caught up in fairty-tales, biographies, romances, mysteries, newspapers (this one was unavoidable) home decor books, coffee table books, and the list goes on.... From a early age I knew I also wanted to write. However, I married a man who solely likes to read. He has no desire to write - says it's too much trouble. And that's fine with me, because without readers what would be the use in writing a book?
Anyway, since you mentioned that you feel hesitant to comment in the writer's forums and blogs, I have to confess that there are times that I feel totally out-of-it myself. Being a writer, would-be author, or a pubbed author doesn't automatically qualify a person for a mythical united writer's cult. It can be pretty darned daunting to compare myself (even though I try not to) against other writers/authors. There's times I want to run screaming from the forums because I feel I'll never write as prolifically or superbly as someone else. It's a negative feeling that has to be stomped into the ground in order to keep pressing on. But I dare say all authors have felt it at some point.
Having the ability and desire to write doesn't make me any better than the person who will one day read my book. In fact, it's an honor to imagine that 'just readers' might review my book honestly. So, please, Sadhbh, give us your opinions and hop into the writer's conversations, because we need people like you to voice your say-so. I know I appreciate your candid blogs and reviews. I need (all authors need) readers support and affection (for lack of a better word). This includes you, too, J.
Oh, and one last thing. You touched on the differences of opinion for a book. I've noticed this, too. And, believe it or not, it's encouraging to a writer/author because even if the book doesn't work for one person, it does for another. Meaning? A fan base, of course. It would be nice if everyone loved the same book, but it's not likely to happen. There are too many people with too many opinions and preferences. Again, this is more encouraging than discouraging.
Speaking from a reader's POV, I have to agree that it does kind of baffle me when someone else doesn't like a book I'm particularly in love with. Still, it's what makes the world go around, I guess.
This is a great blog, Sadhbh!
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LOL Jill. Nope if there
LOL Jill. Nope if there was fairy dust, I was standing under an awning or something at the time.
When it comes to reviews, I agree with Amanda. I know we've had the review discussion before, but lately I've been spending a lot of time trying to figure out why some of my books have seemingly done better than others. Obviously, I'd like to repeat, repeat, repeat, the good ones. And for me, the feedback I get from readers is very helpful in that respect. I love hearing, "I picked this book up because...." (what was it, the premise? the cover? the title? the blurb?) And while I'd love to hear nothing but rave reviews on everything, sometimes hearing what doesn't work can be helpful too. One opinion probably won't change things, but if I'm hearing universal trends--good or bad--yes, I'm definitely going to consider what's being said.
The way I look at it, we're all working toward the same goal. Writers want to write books readers enjoy, and readers want to enjoy the books they pay money for. So every opinion counts, in my book.
Funny, I had dinner with a group of authors at National and we were sharing horror stories about bad reviews. But all of us ultimately agreed that worse than bad reviews are books no one is talking about at all.
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Sadhbh...
You always start great discussions. Thanks.
I try very hard not to say "I'm just a reader"! Usually I try to say I read, I don't write or something along those lines! After meeting authors at RWA a person realizes even more that as readers we are appreciated. The authors would have no reason to write if we were not buying/reading books.
Many times I've said if we were all the same it would be dull & boring! That saying can go for our reading tastes also, if we all liked the same type of books there wouldn't be so many wonderful choices. I prefer to not read much in the way of a serious or depressing story which is probably why I read romance. It is to escape from my world and I love knowing there will be a HEA.
Since I've never been one to hesitate to express my opinion!!!
When I post a review on the challenge I try to not be negative in my comments. If I read the whole book there was something in it that kept me reading. If I loved a book I try to not say to much or give away anything so the person that looked at the review can make their own discoveries about the book.
Take care, happy reading,
Donna M, Dream Team member