this is a corollary to the "just reader" blog
Do you think you're better off with a CP/editor who "gets" you, i.e. who's on your wavelength or with a CP/editor who doesn't, to whom you have to explain your trains of thought?
As a reader I can see advantages to both, but was wondering how the authors and editors felt about it
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I definitely want CPs who
I definitely want CPs who "get" me. Having one that doesn't is death to a writer. They will destroy your voice and everything that makes you special, not to mention your confidence. Many editors have said that taking too much feedback will suck the life out of a MS. I think the same is true by having a CP who isn't on the same wavelength.
As for editors, well, they won't buy you if they don't "get" you. That doesn't mean the editor who gets you won't leave and hand you over to someone who doesn't. I know many authors have been in that situation before and it is never fun for anyone involved. But I think the editor/writer relationship is a little different than the writer/CP relationship. With an editor you need to figure a way to work through it if you want to continue selling to that line or publisher. A CP is just providing an opinion that could be good or bad for your career.
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Lori - I could see those advantages to an editor/CP who gets
you, and I agree that authors in the early part of their career need CPs who get them far more than they need ones that don't, but my underlying thought behind this blog was that maybe an editor who wasn't totally on your wavelength might be more useful to your development as an author than one who "gets" everything you say
Because yes it's frustrating when you have to explain and expand your train of thought, but there will always be readers who don't "get" you (like me and the Stephanie Plum books - they're funny but that's about it because I'm not on that wavelength, however I'm totally on JR Ward's wavelength where I know other people aren't completely) and you might win more of those readers with an editor who's a bit the same
or am I spouting rubbish?
you know I won't be offended if you say yes
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Well, I guess I'm thinking
Well, I guess I'm thinking that if an editor didn't "get" Stephanie Plum, and in turn, Ms. Evanovich tried to change the work, she'd lose what made Stephanie Plum so popular in the first place.
I think writers have to come to grips with the fact that not everyone is going to love them. If you've got something that works, you can't destroy that by trying to pick up all those other readers who have different tastes.
I understand where you're going with this, and think that there's benefit to it, but only if nobody seems to "get" you. If you're a writer who can't seem to generate any interest in your writing via contest results, submissions, etc., then maybe you need to stop listening to that one "fan" who loves you (most likely your mom) and get some other opinions. But if you're generally in a spot where things are working for you--editors are showing interest, the contest results are good, or you're published and sales are good, then you're better off working with people who will encourage you to continue to do what's working as opposed to seeking out those people who don't care for your writing and trying to please them too.
Granted, I know I'm contradicting myself between this and my other post about bad reviews. But one has to do with storing nuggets of feedback from readers and slanting your writing toward those things people seem to be responding to as a whole. The other is actually having a working relationship with someone who doesn't care for your writing style. The former can possibly help a writer improve, the latter has the potential for destroying it.
Note, I say has the potential. It's not a guarantee. But I have to say, I've been in CP relationships where the person involved handed out lots of bad advice. It's not a good situation to be in and doesn't help the career one iota.
Though others might have had different experiences, and I'd love to hear them. As always, Sadhbh, you come up with the best questions!!
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It's funny, during National
It's funny, during National I got together with a writer who is currently having trouble with one of her CPs. We both agreed that the most important person you need to listen to is your inner voice. If you get feedback from someone and it just doesn't "feel" right, you need to ignore it. A good CP is one who comes back with a crit, and your reaction is, "Duh! Of course! Why didn't I see that!"
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Lori - that 's why I said that new authors NEED CPs who get
them, because it seems obvious to me that you need a certain experience of publishing and editors' comments to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff where CPs advice comes in
Though even as a beginner if something sounds off, generally it's because your characters don't want to go there. Characters might not be doing what they should be doing, but they're generally good about recognising what they shouldn't
In my own experience of writing, I generally find myself writing a lot of scenes that I need to know have happened, but that don't necessarily need to feature in the WIP
Just like in real life, some days speed by and some days drag and you don't always linger on the right moments of the day, but in a book you have to take the time to recognise which ones to linger over and which ones to flyby
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maybe I shouldn't respond...
eh, I've stuck my foot in it enough that another time won't hurt...
CPs who don't 'get' your writing aren't helpful and the relationship will naturally deteriorate. That's not to say they have to 'get' every story, but they need to like your distinct voice.
Editors who don't 'get' your writing are a nightmare. Not as people, odds are a romance editor is a fantastic person you'd love to chat up. I mean, they read romance novels for a living, what's better than that! But an editor who wants to read X, when you've been selling Y, who tells you to try writing Z and then can't explain in a way you understand why what you think is Z is actually Q? It still makes me shudder.
It's a hard situation because it's reading, but as a reader you're only out ten bucks if you toss a book. With a CP or editor, you might be out a relationship or a career. Not pretty, my friend.
But once you get all the ingredients right, things smooth out again. Maybe you have someone else read your erotica and let your CP stick to your romantic suspense...or you figure out how to write the entire alphabet!
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I agree...
They have to get you. My cp gets me. She knows WHY I've done what I've done, and she also knows if it's not working and will tell me so. She gets my voice, my trains of thought, and IMO it is better because she'll tell me if I'm off, or point out that I did such and such earlier, she knows my bad habits and rides my butt, and reads with a clear eye. If i had a CP that didn't get me, It would only result in an exercise in frustration. Not only could it be the death of a career, but the death of something I am very passionate about...the joy of writing.
CP's and editors can get your writing, and still be objective about it. They can see what is of value and what needs adjusting. That is why a good cp and editor are worth their weight in gold.
FWIW I am still "new" as I've only sold 8 books, but I can't ever imagine writing without my cp's keen eye and insightful questions. She keeps me on my toes.
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coming out of the revision cave to reply to this great topic
And sadhbh, don't kill me for my lack of reviewing. I'm about to post a few now, and I still have a bunch to type up from my vacation (I read 8 books when I was away---woo-hoo!!)
But yeah, CP's. I definitely can't work with someone who doesn't get me. I tried that once, and the relationship not only ended badly, but I found my writing suffered from it too. I kept trying to change my voice to suit her suggestions, and it ended up sucking badly for a while.
One of my CP's writes for Desire and the other for Blaze (hi, Lori!!) and though my Desire CP writes very different stories from mine, she still gets my voice, appreciates my humor and doesn't try to "change" my work. That's another turn-off, a CP who rewrites entire scenes for you--um, why don't you just write the book then?
As for editors, I'm just starting out, so I don't know yet if my editors "get" me. They seem to like my books, so I guess that means they do, but I'm also learning a ton from them. It's really cool to see what they're looking for, hear their suggestions--they really know their stuff. Same thing with my CP's--most of the time I get a crit and I'm like, "You're right, that works WAY better!" I always trust Lori and Jen to help me produce the best book I possibly can!
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Great discussion...
Thanks Sadhbh for another good discussion blog. Also thanks to those that stopped to comment. As you all know I am not a writer but these discussions are interesting. The hard work that goes into writing any book makes me appreciate the joy in reading that much more.
Take care, happy reading,
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