I just wanted to let folks know that I am somewhat preoccupied with taking care of my dog Dante and dealing with vets. We have just come out of a long veterarian nightmare that traumatized our dog. We took him in for a regular blood test to check his thyroid medication levels to a vet closer to home. It was like throwing a switch ---he was fine before going to the vet and for the past 1 1/2 weeks he has been a different dog ---- miserable, moping and traumatized. The blood results are not not good. Basically 2/3 of the levels checked by a complete blood work up are levated in various degrees. Right now his kidneys and his gall bladder seem to be most immediate issues. Our dog has never come back from a vet acting like this. I won't go on and on but every step with them has been one frustration after another...meanwhile Dante was truly miserable.
Thanks to a story by Debiw, everything just dawned on us--Dante was telling us something. We sat down at dinner, Glenn pointed out that Dante peed in the house 4 times after coming home, just looked at us and did it right in front of us. Dante does not act like that. He might have an accident when we are busy and not paying attention but he is a dog that really, really does not act like this. In a moment of exhaustion and quiet, I just heard heard Deb's words and I just knew --- we could not subject our dog to that vet again.
So....we decided that we just cannot take him back to these local vets. We called our vet where we used to live, Dr. Barnes. He has always given us good advice, not just procedures but he seems to think of the pets. When our cat was so sick with kidney disease, he gave us practical ideas that helped us give hospice care to Mowgli, simple things like switching to a tray litter box and using this perforated foam sheets under the cat liter to help him not slide. He made Mowgli's life better and he made us better caregivers. So even though Dr. Barnes is 17 miles away, I think this is the best.
So, this afternoon, he goes for an abdominal sonogram at the hospital here (not the vet here whom I now no longer trust to even handle my dog, but the hospital in the town next to us where he has been for emergenices) to look to see if there are tumors or obstructions causing the changes in the blood. I am glad we made the change in vets, but Dante is still a sick dog so I am sad and worried.
I just wanted to let folks know here that is what is going on if I seem more absent than usual. I am reading, so my reading slump is over...how nice it is to read and be quiet and sort of recenter when there is so much going on! If I do blog books and if I seem more detached or just don't have my ususal zing, I just want folks to realize that it's me, not the books, esp. if I just seem more matter of fact. Lately, Glenn and I have both been more and more in the mood to just tune out and tune into books and it definitely is a more calming atmosphere for or pets. I might just blog books in batches for a while.
Merri
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I'm glad you've decided to go back to your old vet. I have no idea how far 17 miles in Colorado is, but in my area 17 miles might be a journey time wise, but mileage wise it's nothing. I would gladly drive that much to get quality health care for my family or my pet.
Yes, I've made changes in my vet and in my personal healthcare, but if I weren't happy or my pet or my family weren't happy I would have switched back to my original provider in a heartbeat.
You've got to have faith in your medical providers be they for people or for pets, and if you question even one thing they say then it's time for a second opinion or a new health professional.
I know you love Dante and want what's best for him, but is what's truly best for him to keep submitting him to the testing and the stress of that or simply saying ok...we understand and love you, and you can let go now?
When I had to put my dog Fred down it was emotionally the easiest thing I could have done. I knew he was suffering and unhappy that he couldn't participate in our lives like he had been. However, physically it was hard to take him and help him to pass. Not a day goes by where I dont' miss Fred, and while I love Sally she's just not quite as special to me as he was.
Good luck in whatever you decide.
Sandi
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Ah, Merri, it just seems
Ah, Merri, it just seems like you and yours can't catch a break right now. I'm so sorry to hear about the trauma Dante was subjected to by the local vet. I would have made the same decision to drive further and go to the former vet. Hang in there.
Nancy
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Sandi, we are not subjecting our pet to unnecessary suffering..at least not knowingly. We don't even have the facts yet since we are waiting to get the results for the sonogram although behaviorlly there is no sign of illness. I have never in my life had pets respond to a vet like this. I have had pets since I was 5 years old. I don't normally expect a pet be traumatized by what is supposed to be a routine exam. No one wants to believe a medical professional would be abusive to the patients in their care and it has been difficult to discern what has been going on the past 1 1/2 weeks.
Nancy, hopefully things will be better. Even if Dante is very sick, Dr Barnes was wonderful when our cats were sick. Just having a sane compassionate vet who returns phone calls is a plus whatever the results are of the test today.
Merri
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Wishing Dante well
Merri, I truely feel for you, Glenn and Dante. We have suffered through some bad vets in various military moves to the point that if the dog needed care that we could delay, we drove back to our vet in Albuquerque. We did it from both Cincinnati and San Francisco. We had the worst experiences ever in Cincy and changed vets half a dozen times widening our travel distance to find good, caring vets. It is so important especially since our four legged babies can't talk. I hope everything works out for Dante soon!
Bonsal
He's your
baby and you know when something doesn't feel right. Think you've made a wise decision even if it's just to make yourselves feel better but Dante probably will like the other vet better too. If you are more comfortable then that feeling will transfer to him. Keep us posted.
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Sonogram results
Dr. Barnes just called tonight to discuss the results of the sonogram
Dante had today.
1 No cancer and no any tumors of any kind.
2. His adrenal glands are swollen. It's called Cushing syndrome.
His adrenal glands ae putting too many steroids in his system. There are 2 ways
to deal with that. One is surgery to remove one adrenal gland which Dr. Barnes is not
hot on doing with older dogs. The other way is with medication, fairly expensive
medication which comes from Canada or Europe which he will get for us straight
from he pharmaceutical company so we don't have middlemen driving up the
already high price.
3. From the sonogram, it looks like Dante might have a slight kidney or
urinary infection which is treatable with antibiotics. There is a
possibility that Dante might not even have kidney disease and the high
readings on the blood test are due to this. No certainty yet and we
could still be looking at kidney disease but this is the next step and
I assume they will retest the him after clearing up the infection. He
did not have any signs of kidney disease a year ago.
Dr Barnes is off tomorrow but on Thursday, he will call us again
after he looks at the urine test and some other things to see which of the 2
adrenal medicines is the best.
So..... at least for today, the results look very good and a whole lot
different than where we thought this was going. Dante is back to his
normal self too. He started to de-traumatize from the local vets about
2 days ago and last night he was back to his normal self, not a puppy
for sure, but not at all what he has been for the past 1 1/2 days. He
has been fairly chipper since the sonogram so it's one more clue that
something bad happened at that vet.
We are still going to be busy this week getting
medications etc. but I wanted to let people know why I might be more
absent that usual. I am reading (oh, it feels wonderful to read!) but I
think I might blog in batches. I think Glenn and I both need some time
to chill out and just read and de-stress from dealing with those vets.
I just do not want anyone to think I have lost my enthusiasm for the
books I am reading so I didn't want to just disappear without telling
people what was up.
Merri
Hildie's blog: http://blog.hildie.net
Canine cushings disease ...
Hi Merri ... canine cushings disease is fairly common .. though I'm wondering if that's an accurate diagnosis ... did the vet perhaps mention canine lupus? ... kidney disease would go hand in hand with canine lupus as would a thyroid type symptom ... and the adrenal problems as well does Dante have arthritis anywhere? ... this too would fit the canine lupus
do a google for "canine lupus" and then "canine cushings disease" ... there is a vast amount of info out there
both diseases in a dog are manageable .. but beware there is no cure ... so medication will be for Dante's life time and will have to be carefully controlled ... and the kidney disease will have to be monitored regularly ... kidney disease in any creature is not a happy future
it's sad when our pets age and develope these problems ... I'm glad you've gone back to the vet that seems to have Dante's best interests at heart .... when our pets age it's as important that they have consistant medical care as it would be for ourselves .... doctor hopping is rarely beneficial for either dog or man
hope all works out for Dante
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I'm glad that you at least
I'm glad that you at least have a diagnosis and that it is treatable. Loving pets means we have to deal with illness along the way and it sounds like Dr. Barnes is someone you can trust.
Nancy
Katherine, I will check it
Katherine, I will check it out and ask Dr. Barnes on Thursday. The people who did the sonogram were internist specialists (whereas Dr. Barnes is a GP). He just called us immediately when the results were in because he knew we were waiting and thought it would be worse news. He is off Wed. but he is taking everything home and going to look at it all again and decide what drugs Dante needs etc and we will touch base again on Thursda and start some of the tratment. I am not a medical person but they feel fairly certain that the kidney issues are an infection from the kinds of tissue things they saw on the sonogram and are very likely not kidney disease. I am still in a lot of shock from the trauma of dealing with the other vets so I am just not ready to dance around quite yet until after he gets antibiotics and they retest the kidney levels. Last year, his kidney levels were perfect.
We have had 2 cats with kidney disease and he does not look like he has kidney disease. It is hard to explain. With Mowgli, we just knew long before because of Jean Claude and so we asked the vet to check..sure enough, Mowgli was showing slightly elevated levels. I know kidney disease is not curable. Our last 2 cats died of it but both had many good active years from the diagnosis to the end. These local vets...I canb't explain it to you other than to say lots of things just did not add up.
The arthritis is hard to tell. He is not a puppy but 18 years old, so he is not as limber as he once was. Nevertheless, he can can go up and down more flights of stairs than Glenn and I can do combined (at least when he has not been traumatized). At times he just runs circles around the house for the sheer joy of it. He wasn't like that for 1 1/2 weeks after he saw the local vet though. He was so traumatized that I thought he was dying but 2 days ago, he started to perk up and even after tonight after a trip to the hospital, he is not traumatized.
Tonight, I am just really happy that the sonogram made things more clear. The first vets had us fairly convinced that Dante had tumors and could die in weeks (Yet they still wanted to clean his teeth?). I am fairly relieved that the results are something that can be managed with medicine. I will be thrilled if the kidney issues do indeed resolve with antibiotics. I don't understand it but something how it looked on the sonogram and something to do with the way kidneys are is why they feel fairly certain it is a kidney/urinary tract infection and not kidney disease.
Katherine T., I am not sure I told you this before. My first cousin has Lupus. I was an only child but she was kind of like a sister to me when I was growing up. She was one year younger than me and we played togethrer all the time. She is doing very well now, much better than years ago. I don't know that much about Lupus, however, because I was far from home when she was diagnosed and when she was not doing as well as she is today. (She still lives far away.)
Merri
Hildie's blog: http://blog.hildie.net
kidney disease ...
is often a silent disease until it's well established ... as often there are no symptoms at the beginning and that makes regular urine testing important
if the vets are internists, that's a very good thing ... they will know the score ..
I'm glad to hear your cousin is doing well .... the treatments available today can be very good at pushing the disease into remission even if only a drug-controlled remission ..... it's a true blessing to actually be in a drug free remission .... wishing the latter for your cousin
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Katherine, I have just been
Katherine, I have just been looking at the Cushing syndrome. I can't believe it...so many things are making sense now. We have been testing him regularly because of his thyroid meds and it is only now with the sonogram that things make sense because his tests were normal til now. Things that this horrible vet told us were behavioral are actually symptoms of Cushing syndrome (panting, large intake of water). I know having this syndrome isn't a great thing, and we do need to be careful of the kidneys even right now it is an infection, but I am so relieved to know that we can do somethng to help that was not at all what we were led to believe for the past 1 1/2 weeks.
I feel like I could just read straight for a week snd just chill out from it all.
Merri
Hildie's blog: http://blog.hildie.net
I used to have a resource ....
of web sites for canine and feline medical issues .... the canine was for a friend .. the feline for my Dad ... but I deleted the bookmarks from my web browser some time ago .... I know google wil produce some great websites for veternary medicine ... some even have question and answer boards
glad it's all falling in to place ... best of health for Dante
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Keep your doors and windows shut
I just read in the paper that a dog was taken in Denver from inside a house by a mountain lion while the owners were sleeping
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Colorado wildlife
FF, we actually get a fair amount of wildlife coming into the metro area. Mountain lions and mostly bears are a real problem. We have had one of the most dry summers too so the wildlife are driven closer for food. Typically, there are foxes around all the time and they often kill pets. Both our animals are indoor pets (doesn't help if there is a mountain lion though and your windows/doors are open!). We have coyotes close to home and you can see them at night when walking the dog. In Denver a couple of years ago, a lot of cats were turning up mutilated and the whole area was in an uproar because for months and months the authorities thought it was some kids but it turned out to be some kind of wildlife.
Katherine T, thanks. It is a whole lot better news than we were expecting, a whole lot better. I think we might look for recipes for kidney food disease we can make at home even if the infection treatment clears up the kidney levels. Kidney disease food is basically low protein, low salt. Dante can be very finicky about dogfood, and it really will probably be easier to just make him real food that is healthier than to keep trying to find things he likes (which he gets sick of if he ests too much of one thing). He loves cantaloupe and broccoli and onions and clementines.
Merri
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Merri...
I'm glad that your old vet has been brought back into Dante's life. He sounds like he has your dog's best interest at heart. I hope he is able to pinpoint exactly what the issue is.
You mentioned Dante deliberately standing and peeing in front of you. I believe animals can be like little kids who can't talk very well. They try to communicate through their actions - good or bad. It's the only way they can let you know when they feel bad or when they're unhappy. I'm glad you're tuned in to Dante, Merri. You and Glen are loving and nuturing owners, and I wish you all the very best during this difficult time! Hugs to (((Dante)))!
Fake Frenchie, that was one strange story about the mountain lion. Really sad about the dog. It must have been hard for the owners to give the police permission to use their beloved pet for bait, because they probably wanted nothing more than to lay the animal to a quiet rest. However, if you ask me, keeping a set of doors open at night is just asking for trouble. This is a matter of common sense (or the lack there-of), don't you think?
"Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see."
- Mark Twain
Amanda, thanks. It was not
Amanda, thanks. It was not so easy to see what Dante was trying to say at first. I cannot even describe to anyone what it was like dealing with these local vets. It was like stepping into a science fiction novel where the world was turned upside down or being oput on a different planet where basic normal behavior was not the norm. He started to de-traumatize about 2 days ago. I was a bit concerned that taking him to the hospital for the sonogram would re-traumatize him but he was definitely back to normal last night! None of this change back even has to do with actual medical treatment which he will start tomorrow. One thing is clear now---even if those vets are medically the best vets in the entire world (and some of their advice did turn out to be the key to the diagonosis like getting a sonogram), seeing Dante's response..well, I could never even put my dog through the trauma of even walking up to their front door. Old as he may be, he has never reacted to a regular exam like this nor any other vet visit.
Merri
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Merri: When I was in nursing
Merri: When I was in nursing school, one of my instructors reminded all of us that 50% of the doctors out there graduated from the bottom half of their class. That can be said for veternarians as well.
Combine that with poor bedside manners and it equals disasterous results for our pets. Dante is fortunate in the fact that you are willing to travel further to get him the care he needs.
Nancy
Nancy,
'....50% of the doctors out there graduated from the bottom half of their class. That can be said for veternarians as well. Combine that with poor bedside manners and it equals disasterous results for our pets.'
This is all too perfectly true. And it's scary when you really think about it. Makes it harder to find the good ones - like 'separating the wheat from the shaft', as the old saying goes.
"Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see."
- Mark Twain
bedside manner
Good points Nancy and Amanda! One thing I do like is Dr. Barnes and really everyone in his office ---they get to know the pets. Hearing a pet is recently adopted or just moved does not pass him by. These other vets may have all the techniques and book knowledge but nothing is a substitute for listening or asking questions to get those clues and just be friendly along the way. Here's one difference. Those other vets had the results of the blood test for almost a busines week but never called or even returned our calls with inquiries. Even if the examining vet was not there, someone should have called, esp. since the tests indicated something. Dr. Barnes called us within minutes of the hospital's fax coming in with the sonogram results..after hours on a Tuesday before they were closed on Wednesday..and took all the tests home to decide which medications. Compassion matters. I am just thankful that debiw told me a story that helped me turn to my dog and what I know about him versus the froth being stirred up by the vets that was not normal. I know illness can cause changes but this was way too drastic.
We are going there to pick up his antibiotics this afternoon and it
looks likes we are going to have the same strange weather today that we
had yesterday. The rush hour trek across the urban corridor north to
south with Denver in between may not be fun. They are forecasting
torrential rains, possible flash floods and some mudslides to the west
of where we are going. We don't get a lot of rain here so the roads
don't have run off. I used to sort of think it was odd--people would
say it was raining hard here but my NC gauge would have called it a
drizzle. But the weather is truly different here. It's like I have
had to recalibrate my internal danger system. Lightning here is more
frequent and dangerous in skies that look mild. Radars that look mild
compared to NC radar colors can bring serious weather. On the other
hand, we can get 60-75 mph winds in clear skies that do little damage.
If I felt that kind of wind in NC even in a clear sky it would mean to
get to a shelter.
Merri
Hildie's blog: http://blog.hildie.net
Haven't commented before
but am so glad that Dante will soon be doing better. A good vet is worth a bit of trouble IMHO.
Ah yes. We get Chinook winds here in Calgary too.
When I get a little money I buy books, and then if any is left I buy food and clothes..-- Erasmus
weather
Really? I had never experienced Chinook winds until I moved out here. I love wind. I love falling asleep when the winds are going but I know there is no danger of tornadoes etc. I love reading when it rains (or snows!) or when the wind is blowing. I really love non-tornado producing thunderstorms...when I am inside.
Merri
Hildie's blog: http://blog.hildie.net
Chinook winds are a mountain to plain pattern
They have this type of wind in Germany too but call them something else. I grew up with them.
When I get a little money I buy books, and then if any is left I buy food and clothes..-- Erasmus
mountains
We lived 5 miles from the Rocky Mountain foothills in Lakewood, Colorado (and where the good vet is). We could see the mountains out our west windows. We are not as close to the foothills now. Even though we are basically directly north of where we were, the terrain to the west of us is different. I think it would be fascinating to look at weather and geography. Storms in NC would often be bad west of us, skip over Chapel Hill, but get bad east of there in Durham and Raleigh. What made it skip? Even here, we can watch storms on the radar west of us skip, then pick up east of here. Sometimes you can even see the wind patterns in the clouds in the foothills in these strange shapes caused by the different layers of air/wind. The weather blowing off the mountains in waves explains it here but why in NC? Was it a lake or some other thing? This east to west pattern, however, isn't skipping.
Merri
Hildie's blog: http://blog.hildie.net
There's mountains to the west
in NC also but they are not as high as Rockies but the wind pattern is still affected by them. We just loved Raleigh when we visited there.
When I get a little money I buy books, and then if any is left I buy food and clothes..-- Erasmus